Faulty Transmissions Plague 2011 Ford Mustang
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"Jap" tools? other than electronics, i havent seen much in the way of japanese tools..
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Didnt Pontiac have a getrag tranny in a couple vehicles??
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The reality is, more are working fine than badly... by tens of thousands. We should probably just wait and see what comes of this before making a huge deal of it.
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yep =) my supra get rag is the SMOOTHEST tranny and FLAWLESS when it comes to shifting. basically flawless until 1000+ HP when you start seeing problems with breaking the tranny case but thats only the top racers out there that are really killin them at 1100+ WHP + crazy launches on the track.
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Dude, honestly? I doubt it. My Snap-On tools are three times more durable than crapsman (no longer made in USA), and 20 times as durable as tools anywhere else (benchmade, husky, etc crap)
"Jap" tools? other than electronics, i havent seen much in the way of japanese tools..
"Jap" tools? other than electronics, i havent seen much in the way of japanese tools..
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Dude, honestly? I doubt it. My Snap-On tools are three times more durable than crapsman (no longer made in USA), and 20 times as durable as tools anywhere else (benchmade, husky, etc crap) the main problem is that a few US companies are SELLING OUT DUE TO GREED (cough, blue point, cough, craftsman, cough)
"Jap" tools? other than electronics, i havent seen much in the way of japanese tools..
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Didnt Pontiac have a getrag tranny in a couple vehicles??
"Jap" tools? other than electronics, i havent seen much in the way of japanese tools..
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Didnt Pontiac have a getrag tranny in a couple vehicles??
Here's an example of Craftsman Hand Tools, Made in America... http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_101...1&blockType=L1
I can't think of any Japanese hand tools, or any other "normal use" tools made in Japan either. As for Snap-On hand tools... I think they're about as good as such tools get, which is part of the high price. Blue Point is a Snap-On brand. I think I remember when it wasn't, and was made in America... Long time ago.
We live in a "global market" these days. It only makes PERFECT sense for major hand tool manufacturers to make tools in China... That's were the CARS are being made these days!! I mean, look how many "American" and other brands are now tool'd up and in full production in China. With well over 4 times America's population, they'll be a great market now that millions are driving cars.
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I won't bother trying to argue which are the best, as each line has its own merits. That said, 80% of Craftsman Hand Tools are still Made in U.S.A. according to nearly any estimate I can find online. Pretty much any made by Danaher are made in America, while things like tape measures are imported. Not all Snap-On tools are made in America anymore either.
Here's an example of Craftsman Hand Tools, Made in America... http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_101...1&blockType=L1
I can't think of any Japanese hand tools, or any other "normal use" tools made in Japan either. As for Snap-On hand tools... I think they're about as good as such tools get, which is part of the high price. Blue Point is a Snap-On brand. I think I remember when it wasn't, and was made in America... Long time ago.
We live in a "global market" these days. It only makes PERFECT sense for major hand tool manufacturers to make tools in China... That's were the CARS are being made these days!! I mean, look how many "American" and other brands are now tool'd up and in full production in China. With well over 4 times America's population, they'll be a great market now that millions are driving cars.
Here's an example of Craftsman Hand Tools, Made in America... http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_101...1&blockType=L1
I can't think of any Japanese hand tools, or any other "normal use" tools made in Japan either. As for Snap-On hand tools... I think they're about as good as such tools get, which is part of the high price. Blue Point is a Snap-On brand. I think I remember when it wasn't, and was made in America... Long time ago.
We live in a "global market" these days. It only makes PERFECT sense for major hand tool manufacturers to make tools in China... That's were the CARS are being made these days!! I mean, look how many "American" and other brands are now tool'd up and in full production in China. With well over 4 times America's population, they'll be a great market now that millions are driving cars.
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Basically they are denying coverage based on assuming a CAI and a little rubber in the fenders means the car has been unmercifully abused.
Nevermind all the ads for the GT I've seen show it on track, doing burnouts, etc.
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Tell your buddy he has to fight tooth and nail. Print out 20 or so complaints (and their resolutions courtesy of Fomoco) and point out the exact issue. Dealership service writers LOVE to have a battle of wills with you, to save money. If you can find a TSB on the issue, even better. 1. ask nicely. 2. demand service 3. "suggest" legal action.. while in the meantime calling higher-ups from Ford.
I had toyota fight me tooth and nail after the second manual trans rebuild.. and guess what.. they rebuilt it 3 more times after that. A service writer's favorite phrase is, "We've never seen this happen before," followed by "This kind of problem only happens from abuse".. don't give in.
I had toyota fight me tooth and nail after the second manual trans rebuild.. and guess what.. they rebuilt it 3 more times after that. A service writer's favorite phrase is, "We've never seen this happen before," followed by "This kind of problem only happens from abuse".. don't give in.
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Yes, perseverance is what is required in these cases. These stealerships like to think that they can BS you long enough that you'll walk away from frustration. DON'T. Get legal consul and let the dealer AND Ford CS know that they aren't going to get away with voiding the car's entire warranty over something that they can't even proved happen. In order to do what they are doing now....they have to PROVE that those two modifications caused whatever's wrong with the gearbox. They can't just say "oh, it's from owner abuse......your bad" and just sign off. It don't work that way anymore. They don't want that going to court, cuz they WILL lose.
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Small town dealership near our hometown has already been getting wind of what's going on through the grapevine.
Someone there told a friend of mine to tell my brother to bring them the car. Now whether or not he is talking out of his *** or they may be thinking or repairing it and eating the cost to avoid to bad press/lost sales (VERY small town) I don't know. But it's the first sign of hope so far.
Someone there told a friend of mine to tell my brother to bring them the car. Now whether or not he is talking out of his *** or they may be thinking or repairing it and eating the cost to avoid to bad press/lost sales (VERY small town) I don't know. But it's the first sign of hope so far.
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Let me go make a poster saying F-body's have to have every nut and bolt re-tightened every 5,000 miles with the reign of being the biggest rattle-traps on the road...sticky clutches, failing headlight assemblies, the list goes on. A newly released car is bound to have problems and I am sure Ford (in the future, tstruck I'm sorry to hear about your brother's car, that is SHITTY!) will take care of the problem.
Don't worry guys, the Mustang isn't going to fall out of production
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I am not a nuthugger waiting for a problem. If you would like I can link to when this issue first came up on the chevelle board...I went in defending the car and talking up how nice they are.
Then this week had to go back and apologize.
And Ford isn't taking care of ****. If they had, I wouldn't be out spreading the word on what's going on. I loved that car and I was really proud for my brother.
The term nuthugger is a 2 way street. I already had an account on SVTP I made to help him look for info on the car back when he got it so I posted in an existing thread about the issue there. I have basically been called a sneak and a liar.
If he had bought a new Camaro like he wanted and the same thing was going down I would be behaving the same way about GM, but as it is, Ford would rather tell him to **** off. I am almost wondering if it's because if they cover incidents like this the numbers for failure stack up higher...if they sweep him under the mat, the problem looks smaller and they can file a stack of **** transmissions in the "abnormal abuse related" pile so the "our Chinese junk" pile looks less menacing.
Then this week had to go back and apologize.
And Ford isn't taking care of ****. If they had, I wouldn't be out spreading the word on what's going on. I loved that car and I was really proud for my brother.
The term nuthugger is a 2 way street. I already had an account on SVTP I made to help him look for info on the car back when he got it so I posted in an existing thread about the issue there. I have basically been called a sneak and a liar.
If he had bought a new Camaro like he wanted and the same thing was going down I would be behaving the same way about GM, but as it is, Ford would rather tell him to **** off. I am almost wondering if it's because if they cover incidents like this the numbers for failure stack up higher...if they sweep him under the mat, the problem looks smaller and they can file a stack of **** transmissions in the "abnormal abuse related" pile so the "our Chinese junk" pile looks less menacing.
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and it sure beats having to replace a transmission multiple times.
Most of our complains are on how people are being treated at the Ford dealers.
Go back with the trolls and kids in the street kill section.
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Yep... That was my initial point. Problem I see now is, feelings are hurt and tempers have flared... Might as well just step aside and allow the hagglers to do thier thing, hopefully avoiding criminal concerns on both sides as opposed to only one(the dealership). Plus, with a quick(or long, drawn out) win, the fees can be applied to the losing side in many states. Badmouthing won't help at this point.
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Let me go make a poster saying F-body's have to have every nut and bolt re-tightened every 5,000 miles with the reign of being the biggest rattle-traps on the road
...sticky clutches, failing headlight assemblies, the list goes on.
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Dude, honestly? I doubt it. My Snap-On tools are three times more durable than crapsman (no longer made in USA), and 20 times as durable as tools anywhere else (benchmade, husky, etc crap) the main problem is that a few US companies are SELLING OUT DUE TO GREED (cough, blue point, cough, craftsman, cough)
"Jap" tools? other than electronics, i havent seen much in the way of japanese tools..
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Didnt Pontiac have a getrag tranny in a couple vehicles??
"Jap" tools? other than electronics, i havent seen much in the way of japanese tools..
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Didnt Pontiac have a getrag tranny in a couple vehicles??
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gm_back_on_top TSB on another issue with the clutch system on the Ford Mustang
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Most craftsman tools are still made in the USA. It is mainly the power tools that are not.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gm_back_on_top TSB on another issue with the clutch system on the Ford Mustang
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gm_back_on_top TSB on another issue with the clutch system on the Ford Mustang
http://www.stangtv.com/news/tsb-issu...ifting-issues/
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