Camaro Chief Engineer says "You're Welcome" to Ford Mustang fans
11-19-2011, 05:52 PM
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LOL
If Ford threw everything they had it would be a 7.0L 4V with a 4+liter blower making 850++
He should be thanking the Mustang that he even has a job, if it wasn't for the 64 and 05 there would be no Camaro PERIOD.
This is gonna be fun.
If Ford threw everything they had it would be a 7.0L 4V with a 4+liter blower making 850++
He should be thanking the Mustang that he even has a job, if it wasn't for the 64 and 05 there would be no Camaro PERIOD.
This is gonna be fun.
11-20-2011, 01:34 AM
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Anyway here is my take on this (as if anyone cares) this is the 2012 zl1 vs 2013 gt500 thats a year difference things could change between that time also gm could pull a little trick like maybe there horsepower rating is to the wheels? Just maybe. I'm really glad ford has stepped up from being beat on for YEARS why not let them have one? I don't know just throwing out wild ideas here as far as the bailout **** that has nothing to do with any of this ****
I still don't see the big deal about it so what if they took some money they paid it back can't tell me none of y'all have never took out a loan
11-20-2011, 01:49 AM
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The cars are being released the same year, what year they are called out as really doesn't matter. It still hasn't been proven that the ZL1 can keep up with the 2011-12 GT500. I just really hope this performance war keeps going until when the next gen smaller/lighter(hopefully MUCH lighter so it catches up to the Mustang) Camaro and smaller/lighter Mustang come out.
11-20-2011, 01:50 AM
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The cars are being released the same year, what year they are called out as really doesn't matter. It still hasn't been proven that the ZL1 can keep up with the 2011-12 GT500. I just really hope this performance war keeps going until when the next gen smaller/lighter(hopefully MUCH lighter so it catches up to the Mustang) Camaro and smaller/lighter Mustang come out.
11-20-2011, 01:53 AM
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In a straight line, likely. I agree with the chief engineer though. Hell, any monkey can make a car go fast down the quarter and any of the new top shelf muscle/pony cars are going to satisfy from a stoplight. After seeing the ZL1's "ring" video though, its clear this camaro is different, much like the BOSS over a GT.
But then again, this is America and 1/4 mile is king. That being said, the auto ZL1 is going to be tough to beat in a random street race from a dig.
But then again, this is America and 1/4 mile is king. That being said, the auto ZL1 is going to be tough to beat in a random street race from a dig.
It's precursor is the Cadillac CTS-V running a generation older magnetic ride, skinnier tires and the same powertrain with "only" 550hp and more weight. This is how it stacked up against the GT500.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-qF_Xzjl4
11-20-2011, 01:55 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjy7vvH1Isk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260FmmISHfg
Unless of course GM pumps up the power next model year.
11-20-2011, 01:58 AM
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I know, I'm just hoping GM can catch up to Ford as they are already falling pretty far behind on the scale, and they are way too much bigger than the Mustang IMO. I doubt the next Mustang is going to be any more than 100lbs lighter than the current one, but it is going to be getting IRS so that's a big plus. Hopefully the Corvette goes on a diet as well, I think they are getting up to around 3400lbs now compared to the 3200lbs when the C6 launched.
11-20-2011, 01:59 AM
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Your on the wrong site.
Anyway here is my take on this (as if anyone cares) this is the 2012 zl1 vs 2013 gt500 thats a year difference things could change between that time also gm could pull a little trick like maybe there horsepower rating is to the wheels? Just maybe. I'm really glad ford has stepped up from being beat on for YEARS why not let them have one? I don't know just throwing out wild ideas here as far as the bailout **** that has nothing to do with any of this ****
I still don't see the big deal about it so what if they took some money they paid it back can't tell me none of y'all have never took out a loan
Anyway here is my take on this (as if anyone cares) this is the 2012 zl1 vs 2013 gt500 thats a year difference things could change between that time also gm could pull a little trick like maybe there horsepower rating is to the wheels? Just maybe. I'm really glad ford has stepped up from being beat on for YEARS why not let them have one? I don't know just throwing out wild ideas here as far as the bailout **** that has nothing to do with any of this ****
I still don't see the big deal about it so what if they took some money they paid it back can't tell me none of y'all have never took out a loan
All I can say is this...I can't wait to absolutely DESTROY one of these ZL1s in a plain ole 5.0 GT at a stoplight....
Afterwards whats the guy gonna say....yeah you beat me by 10 cars but this thing ran better around the "ring" than the 13 GT500... LOLOLOLOL
The bailout has everything to do with it....GM wouldn't be here otherwise.
I thought Camaro guys had a set of nuts, not after reading this garbage. The dork challenged Ford to some dumbass 13 mile track 1000s of miles away, claiming their 4000# pile is a few seconds quicker than a way cooler/faster GT500
Real men settle it in 1320 foot, and most purist Camaro fans think the new Camaro sucks..
11-20-2011, 02:06 AM
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That's the biggest problem with the GT500 that I hope Ford has fixed on this new one. 3 tenths slower yet it was trapping a little over 2mph faster. 285 tires (I think anyway? Not sure if they have said anything about the 2013 tire size) on a car with 550hp and all that torque has always killed it in straight line tests. I think they need to widen the rear fenders and put 325-335 tires on it in order to put all 650 horses to the ground.
11-20-2011, 02:36 AM
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That's the biggest problem with the GT500 that I hope Ford has fixed on this new one. 3 tenths slower yet it was trapping a little over 2mph faster. 285 tires (I think anyway? Not sure if they have said anything about the 2013 tire size) on a car with 550hp and all that torque has always killed it in straight line tests. I think they need to widen the rear fenders and put 325-335 tires on it in order to put all 650 horses to the ground.
Um.... a set of control arms and DRs cured every bit of my traction issues on a 5 year old 600 rwhp GT500.
Like this 4000# Camaro is gonna straight cut 1.4 60fts all day
11-20-2011, 09:52 AM
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You're right...the CTS just embarassed the overpriced GT500 pig.
Yeah, they really think it sucks. Can't figure out why all those people who bought the new Camaro feel they suck. In fact they suck so bad they've outsold the Mustang.
11-20-2011, 10:12 AM
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^^You're going to neuter GM if you keep swinging off it's nuts so hard.
Have you not read any of my other posts saying nothing but positive things? I know all it needs is tires, but Ford should figure that out and put them on from the start. No way 120mph traps should be running high 12 ETs, and yes I know they've damn near hit 10s stock with just DRs, but DRs don't come stock like everyone buys them.
Have you not read any of my other posts saying nothing but positive things? I know all it needs is tires, but Ford should figure that out and put them on from the start. No way 120mph traps should be running high 12 ETs, and yes I know they've damn near hit 10s stock with just DRs, but DRs don't come stock like everyone buys them.
11-20-2011, 10:29 AM
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All I can say is this...I can't wait to absolutely DESTROY one of these ZL1s in a plain ole 5.0 GT at a stoplight....
Afterwards whats the guy gonna say....yeah you beat me by 10 cars but this thing ran better around the "ring" than the 13 GT500... LOLOLOLOL
The bailout has everything to do with it....GM wouldn't be here otherwise.
I thought Camaro guys had a set of nuts, not after reading this garbage. The dork challenged Ford to some dumbass 13 mile track 1000s of miles away, claiming their 4000# pile is a few seconds quicker than a way cooler/faster GT500
Real men settle it in 1320 foot, and most purist Camaro fans think the new Camaro sucks..
Afterwards whats the guy gonna say....yeah you beat me by 10 cars but this thing ran better around the "ring" than the 13 GT500... LOLOLOLOL
The bailout has everything to do with it....GM wouldn't be here otherwise.
I thought Camaro guys had a set of nuts, not after reading this garbage. The dork challenged Ford to some dumbass 13 mile track 1000s of miles away, claiming their 4000# pile is a few seconds quicker than a way cooler/faster GT500
Real men settle it in 1320 foot, and most purist Camaro fans think the new Camaro sucks..
11-20-2011, 03:17 PM
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11-20-2011, 04:24 PM
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LoL, you've got to be kidding me...
Ford's need a blower to make power (ZR1-ZL1 now).
Sales numbers don't mean **** (now it's the only thing that matters).
Crazy how the tables have turned and so has the
point of views.
Ford's need a blower to make power (ZR1-ZL1 now).
Sales numbers don't mean **** (now it's the only thing that matters).
Crazy how the tables have turned and so has the
point of views.
11-20-2011, 05:27 PM
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Maybe you should stick to the Ford sites instead of trolling GM sites with your garbage. Takes a special kind of idiot to spend his time typing out long-winded nonsensical trash on the wrong website all because he likes one brand over another.
