ThisBlood147

Yea, I've been having the same thoughts for a while now. The Mustang and Camaro have completely switched roles in the pony car market from the last generation. It's been fun these last couple of years seeing the fanboys readily adopting the arguments they used to rail against 10 years ago.

As for this GM rep's comments: nothing but bad PR in the making. Let your product do the talking. Hardly anything good ever comes from talking **** without knowing what hand the competition is about to play. If the '13 GT500 does go out to the 'Ring and flat out embarrasses the ZL-1, what's going to be their damage control then? If it really is all about building a car that people will want to buy and enjoy for what it is and how it makes them feel, then what does it matter what it will run vs another car on a track a whole ocean away? Just shut up and let the cars do the talking GM.

All in all, I think it's in poor taste...and a bit arrogant...to put out lines like "you can thank us at GM, Mustang fans". Near as I can tell, Mustang fans owe no more to the Camaro than Camaro fans owe to the Mustang. I seem to recall that it was the Mustang that was born first, and that it was the success of the 05+ Mustangs that spurred GM into doing everything in its power to bring the Camaro back...retro themes and all. So let's call that one a draw, and stop using it as poorly conceived propaganda for a car that isn't even available yet.

nanokpsi

...yah...an auto vs some guy that couldn't shift for crap...

...and the GT500 still posted a faster trap speed.

Now, I wonder how much faster it will be with an extra 100hp and launch control....

I think the response was warranted, but pathetic at the same time. Every trip level of the Camaro gets out performed by the corresponding trim level in the mustang. I also find it ironic how they brag that all of the track ready stuff is standard. I am sure there are plenty of people that wish they were all optional, and the car came in under 50k.

HPT BANDIT

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I'm curious what kind of r-compound tires the PP and Track Pack will have.

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/2013/

88lx418

Jesus, I never once said I was stock, I'll absolutely murder the first one I see...the almighty LSX+a blower should be the end all be all....come on with it.

If anyone magazine races it's the new Camaro fans, I DD my 5.0 and have had no fewer than 7 "transformers" cower once they see the stupid 5.0 badge

Unbelievable...Camaro guys boasting about some track times you need a Ship and 3 weeks to get to....Obama needs to bailout some brains.... ***** too.

6898camaross

Why the **** are you on this site? It's stupid as **** get off your **** man godamn I don't give a **** about your modded car which your mom probably paid for. There's no reason for your stupid **** just quit being a bitch if you wanna race modded cars there's plenty of cars that are 10+ years older ther will make you run home hide in the corner sucking on your thump until you **** your pants and fall asleep. So **** off good thing they make me take meds or Id make a personal trip to come educate people like you. Go eat a dick

ThisBlood147

Wow. It suddenly feels like the comment section of a Youtube video in here. The maturity meter is peggin' out...

Heater

Looks like immaturity breeds more immaturity.

I don't see why everyone is getting their feathers ruffled. The ZL1 is going to be a great car for a lot of people, if someone desires a better performer they can buy a Corvette.

D3VIL

Are you guys forgetting that GM has this thing called.... the Corvette, that is their king of sports car, they CAN make a faster and faster camaro like tuning companies like Hennessey and SLP, just add a bigger boost blower and get 700hp from it but GM can't and wont do it because then it'll become as fast as the Corvette then that would make buying a corvette useless, heck it's bad right now, so yea.... Just be happy you've gotta 580hp Camaro, which is 55k, you wanna step it up? Go buy a Z06 I know I'll still take a 06 Z06 any day over a 2012 ZL1 any day!

LS1LT1

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Wait, you're the one bragging/boasting about what your aftermarket/modified/tuned car might (or might not) do to a factory bone stock one and yet you're giving other people grief on here?
Brilliant.

My 11 year old Z28 (also not stock, just like your car) will wipe the street with a bone stock Mustang GT 5.0...and that too is of course about as moot and irrelevant of a point as one can possibly try to make.

rhopkins

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the 2011 zl1s i have seen for sale in limited edition (69 made) are pushing 750 hp.. but the only one ive found is in fl for a buck forty... no thanks but i would take it for a test drive tho

RedVertTA

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Tranny and diff cooler from factory. Very nice.

Doesn't anyone else think that this comparison is kinda like apples to oranges? One car with IRS, the other with a solid axle. About a 500 lb difference in weight. One is DOHC and the other is a pushrod motor, each has very different power bands. If these cars were any more different people probably wouldn't even be cross shopping between the two. As different as they are I'm surprised people even care that much to argue which is better overall (if that can even be determined).

MaximusPrime

Yeah I'm sure the Camaro drivers really "cowered" in fear of your 5.0. Actually it's more likely that they were laughing at you because you were driving like an idiot trying to street race.

88blackgt

Just stop feeding the troll. Don't respond to him.

thunderstruck507

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This.

I agree with the guy who said it's like ******* youtube in here. Grow the **** up people.

deft

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I had a 2010 SS and a 2012 gt now. I'm pretty sure the GT is faster, but I haven't had enough track time in it. It has better gears (3.73s), and I have a suspicion that it makes more to the wheels. Or are we comparing the GT500? I get confused because the term 5.0 is getting thrown around and the gt500 was a 5.4 right?

That said I wouldn't think I would have a chance against a blown 5th gen, let alone the zl1. No point in comparing the two really. As a matter of fact a one-owner ZL1 is on my short list for next car.

nanokpsi

The media has been comparing the GT500 to the Z06 for years, and they are completely different. Since these cars will be direct competitors, they will obviously be compared. The fact that the designs are different doesn't really mean much.
Of course they will be cross shopped. While some people will be brand loyal, there are plenty of people that just want the better car from a performance standpoint, as long as pricing is similar. Some people just want the baddest pony car out there, regardless of who makes it.

I also doubt the powerbands will be much different. Both motors are large displacemnt v8s with posative displacement blowers.

88blackgt

This whole thread is comparing the ZL1 to the 2013 GT500 that was just announced. There are a bunch of threads about it on here, engine is now a 5.8 rated at 650 HP.

redbadss

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A lot of predetermined predictions and estimations about cars that haven't even hit the showroom floors yet. I love both cars and can't wait to see what they're made of, that doesn't mean you have to be a little school yard boy and bash on anything that can possibly be bashed on because of your brand-loyal shades that are blinders to anything else on the market that might match it's value. The engineer was just saying "Your welcome" to everyone, I mean, we have a camaro and mustang with around 600hp, and both hold their own on a twisty! Why all the complaining here now? I thought this was a decent forum where knowledgeable gearheads shared information...

RedVertTA

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I disagree. Ask anyone who has driven a car with a modular motor, you have to rev them fairly high to make the same torque an lsx motor makes at lower rpms.

88blackgt

Post your dyno slip.