Revealed - Toyota FT-86 (Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ in the US) RWD sports car
11-27-2011, 08:40 PM
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And that still puts it at a lower power to weight figure than a v6 mustang...
197/2600= .07576
VS.
305/3520= .08664
That saddest part is that its power to weight is even worse than a V6 Camry...
268/3461= .07743
BTW: The weight figures provided for the Camry and Mustang were those found by Car and Driver, not their respective manufacturers.
197/2600= .07576
VS.
305/3520= .08664
That saddest part is that its power to weight is even worse than a V6 Camry...
268/3461= .07743
BTW: The weight figures provided for the Camry and Mustang were those found by Car and Driver, not their respective manufacturers.
If I wanted to buy a slow, ugly import, there's already plenty to choose from.
11-27-2011, 09:14 PM
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And that still puts it at a lower power to weight figure than a v6 mustang...
197/2600= .07576
VS.
305/3520= .08664
That saddest part is that its power to weight is even worse than a V6 Camry...
268/3461= .07743
BTW: The weight figures provided for the Camry and Mustang were those found by Car and Driver, not their respective manufacturers.
197/2600= .07576
VS.
305/3520= .08664
That saddest part is that its power to weight is even worse than a V6 Camry...
268/3461= .07743
BTW: The weight figures provided for the Camry and Mustang were those found by Car and Driver, not their respective manufacturers.
11-27-2011, 09:27 PM
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For not much more money (or maybe even less money?) the 370Z will destroy this thing....and if one absolutely needs the rear seats then there's always the 305hp Mustang V6 or 323hp Camaro V6.
11-27-2011, 09:54 PM
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All of this! WTF?? Why would they make something so slow during the horsepower war going on? I'm guessing the base price on this is going to be around the same as a V8 Mustang or Camaro and it would get the **** kicked out of it by either. I had high hopes for this car, but it needs at least a turbo'd 270+ horsepower engine.
11-27-2011, 10:04 PM
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At least toyota has something sporty again. I personally think toyota still makes nice cars they just aren't exciting. My girlfriend's corolla is a nice little car. It's comfortable and it gets great mpg's. It also has way cooler gadgets on it compared with my car and it was half the price brand new. Her car is just a drag to drive. This car might be something a little more exciting than what toyota has been making the last 15 years or so.
11-28-2011, 05:35 AM
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This will be ten times the driver's car of a V6 (and even a GT) Mustang or Camaro SS. It is the antithesis of an American muscle car and the philosophy and design harken back to the pure Japanese performance cars of the 1980s like the Corolla AE 86 and even the 90s. For all of you complaining about the near 4,000lb curb weight of large coupes today then this is your car.
The TRD and Subaru STi version of this car will likely be turbocharged but it isn't about horsepower, this thing is about turning and feeling light and lively while doing it. Outside of a Mini there aren't too many cars that are this light at an attainable price. Details for this set are everywhere in this car, including a trunk that can hold four track tires when you drive to events.
The TRD and Subaru STi version of this car will likely be turbocharged but it isn't about horsepower, this thing is about turning and feeling light and lively while doing it. Outside of a Mini there aren't too many cars that are this light at an attainable price. Details for this set are everywhere in this car, including a trunk that can hold four track tires when you drive to events.
11-28-2011, 07:22 AM
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LOL at all of the people complaining about horsepower. Obviously this car isn't for you if you are complaining about horsepower. Its not my cup of tea but its a car meant for handling not going to the drag strip with.
And @DiscerningZ32 even if its power to weight is worse than a V6 Camry, its not fwd and would be significantly faster, and better handling due to better weight distribution and suspension.
And @DiscerningZ32 even if its power to weight is worse than a V6 Camry, its not fwd and would be significantly faster, and better handling due to better weight distribution and suspension.
11-28-2011, 08:03 AM
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This looks like an entry level sports car for Toyta. Honestly that's fine by me. I'm willing to bet that companies like COBB are already working on kits to up the capabilities of these little cars by a large amount. I also think the car would look better with a proper coilover setup and lower it a bit more, it looks taller than it is wide because of its current stance.
I'm more impressed with seeing the car under 3000lbs! I wish more companies would shed some weight on their cars. I drive to get places or to just enjoy driving, I don't need a freaking 500lbs worth of entertainment systems in my car.
I'm more impressed with seeing the car under 3000lbs! I wish more companies would shed some weight on their cars. I drive to get places or to just enjoy driving, I don't need a freaking 500lbs worth of entertainment systems in my car.
11-28-2011, 08:03 AM
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That styling is pretty terrible, I had higher hopes for this car. We needed some import to help introduce the ricer youths to RWD performance, so that they'd eventually get it and buy a V8 RWD car later. Toyota designers should just go jump off a cliff, they fail continuously. Even their halo car the Lexus LF-A looks 10 years behind the times.
The 370Z looks better and more masculine than this car. Hopefully the Subaru version looks less comic-book looking.
The 370Z looks better and more masculine than this car. Hopefully the Subaru version looks less comic-book looking.
11-28-2011, 09:28 AM
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That styling is pretty terrible, I had higher hopes for this car. We needed some import to help introduce the ricer youths to RWD performance, so that they'd eventually get it and buy a V8 RWD car later. Toyota designers should just go jump off a cliff, they fail continuously. Even their halo car the Lexus LF-A looks 10 years behind the times.
The 370Z looks better and more masculine than this car. Hopefully the Subaru version looks less comic-book looking.
The 370Z looks better and more masculine than this car. Hopefully the Subaru version looks less comic-book looking.
Also if the second fastest car around the ring is 10 years behind the times then I wonder what that makes all the other cars that got slower times around the ring?
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