2013 Hyundai Genesis Gets More Power
01-09-2012, 10:23 PM
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The Genesis is fairly heavy. I think it weighs as much as the new Camaro, bordering on the 4,000 mark.
All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.
All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.
01-09-2012, 10:26 PM
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The Genesis is fairly heavy. I think it weighs as much as the new Camaro, bordering on the 4,000 mark.
All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.
All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.
No, the Genesis coupe is not even CLOSE to that weight. I don't even think the V8 Genesis sedan weighs 4,000lbs.Edit: Excuse me, the 5.0 R-Spec sedan weighs 4,100lbs.
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01-09-2012, 11:26 PM
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Why compare the two in the first place though? Makes no sense, this car is brand-spanking new for one thing and judging by what the 3.8 V6 is rated at, I'm sure it's not even that far behind a stock LS1 car. Very strange comparison though, not at all what this car is meant to compete with.
I think it's a pretty good looking car as well, I'm liking the front end styling.
I think it's a pretty good looking car as well, I'm liking the front end styling.
Didn't think it was going to be such a BIG deal....... You can compare any two cars that are based for performance. I mean it IS based towards competition for Mustangs, Camaros, & Challengers. So... The 306hp/266lb tq 2011 Genesis ran low 14's. So with 42 more hp & 30 more tq. In the same range as a LS1?http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e/viewall.html
01-10-2012, 01:01 AM
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The Genesis is fairly heavy. I think it weighs as much as the new Camaro, bordering on the 4,000 mark.
All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.
All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.
01-10-2012, 07:21 AM
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I really like the 4.6 sedan and the 
5.0 R-Spec 
Someone tell me why Hyundai is doing well with these cars and GM can't make anything like them?
5.0 R-Spec Someone tell me why Hyundai is doing well with these cars and GM can't make anything like them?
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01-10-2012, 09:23 AM
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I was actually correcting the statement that a ls1 makes 325 in the SS or WS6, but now that you mention it....
Actually, it is a claim unless two specific engines are being tested side by side in equal scientific conditions, smartass.
Besides that, the ls1 was rated at 350bhp from 2001+. "OMG that's 2 more HP...FYI"
Besides that, if you think there will be not be 3hp+ difference at the crank from engine to engine you are bat **** crazy.
Carry on.
Actually, it is a claim unless two specific engines are being tested side by side in equal scientific conditions, smartass.Besides that, the ls1 was rated at 350bhp from 2001+. "OMG that's 2 more HP...FYI"
Besides that, if you think there will be not be 3hp+ difference at the crank from engine to engine you are bat **** crazy.
Carry on.
01-12-2012, 11:55 AM
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The Genesis is fairly heavy. I think it weighs as much as the new Camaro, bordering on the 4,000 mark.
All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.
All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.
The V6 is justunder 3400lbs and the turbo 4 is 100lbs lighter.
Being that is built on the sedan struture, it seems they could stuff their 5.0 in there, and join the "muscle car rank" pretty easily as it makes 430hp in R spec (sedan). Although, they have also build a supercharged v6 that could play as well.
That being sauid, I am not a huge fan of the new Hyundai grill.
01-12-2012, 03:52 PM
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More weight, more costs, potentially less reliability (more moving parts ALWAYS increases the chance of breakage) etc.
In these times of need for better/increased fuel efficiency through lower highway RPM especially in a powerful vehicle, it is absolutely necessary to have a few extra overdrives. Otherwise the powers that be wouldn't even allow one to buy cars like these nor be able to afford to fuel them so I fully understand the need for a 6 (or maybe even 7) speed transmission (manual, and/or especially automatic).
I mean, if 8 forward speeds is definitely better in every way than 6 or 7, then why not 15 gears?
In these times of need for better/increased fuel efficiency through lower highway RPM especially in a powerful vehicle, it is absolutely necessary to have a few extra overdrives. Otherwise the powers that be wouldn't even allow one to buy cars like these nor be able to afford to fuel them so I fully understand the need for a 6 (or maybe even 7) speed transmission (manual, and/or especially automatic).
I mean, if 8 forward speeds is definitely better in every way than 6 or 7, then why not 15 gears?
01-12-2012, 04:07 PM
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I'm sure they didn't just say "hey let's add some speeds!" I would wager you didn't voice these same concerns when Chevrolet announced the new 6spd automatic in the Corvette. I mean, you did buy one. And these newer multi-speed transmissions aren't just adding overdrives, they are trying to eliminate dead spots. Though I wouldn't have minded a 7th gear double-overdrive in my S2000. 4,000rpm at 75mph doesn't "get old," but when you're just cruising I'm sure it would have helped gas mileage.
01-12-2012, 04:55 PM
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That thing will absolutely smoke a stock LS1 F-Body if they make the first three gears on the EIGHT speed transmission dig gears.
The torque numbers are low, but the gearing is a torque multiplier. That thing will give other people issues especially if they make the 1:1 gear far up in the range such as 5th or 6th gear.
Additionally, due to the multiple gears the car can also run an ultra-high final gearing. so I wouldn't expect an F-Body to be able to run it down on the top end either.
The torque numbers are low, but the gearing is a torque multiplier. That thing will give other people issues especially if they make the 1:1 gear far up in the range such as 5th or 6th gear.
Additionally, due to the multiple gears the car can also run an ultra-high final gearing. so I wouldn't expect an F-Body to be able to run it down on the top end either.
01-12-2012, 05:14 PM
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Yeah. Tests will vary from person to person. If you read what the LS1 Camaro was tested at, it was only capable of a 13.8 1/4 mile with the 6 speed. My car with an automatic etched that out by .3 seconds.
Really no way to compare one of these cars until we get a multitude of reviews and someone with firsthand experience against one of these.
Really no way to compare one of these cars until we get a multitude of reviews and someone with firsthand experience against one of these.