2013 Hyundai Genesis Gets More Power
01-15-2012, 11:24 PM
#101
I agree 100%. 
And everything I've posted above was STRICTLY motivated by the hope of it staying that way.
01-16-2012, 03:22 AM
#104
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Let's just focus on the high-volume money makers; compact and mid-size family sedans. The Malibu ten years ago was a joke. The Grand Prix was decent enough on its own, but for the average family sedan shopper, the Accord or Camry was far better. Oldsmobile Alero? L.O.L. And the Cavalier and Sunfire were some of the absolute biggest pieces of garbage ever made, not to mention incredibly unsafe in an accident. The offerings from Ford were no better at that point. The Escort was a joke, and the Taurus was a shadow of its former self. Whereas the Accord, Camry, Maxima, Civic, etc., were all hitting their stride. It's not a hard concept to fathom; everybody knows that Ford and GM have made leaps and bounds in quality cars in the past five years or so, and the quality of Honda and Toyota has gone down a small, but perceptible, amount. But even the men upstairs at Ford and GM won't go so far as to say their cars are "better." They are "competitive." And you can say they are biased if you want, but I have yet to see a single test that puts a Malibu or Fusion at the top of a family sedan comparison test. So if the American offerings have gotten WAY better, the Japanese offerings have lost a little ground, and they are now basically equal...where do you think that would put them ten years ago?
01-16-2012, 03:34 AM
#105
Plus, I've heard of quite a few people (I know a few of them actually) that have gotten LOTS of dependable, trouble free miles out of their Cavaliers.Certainly not the most luxurious or fast cars they've ever owned LOL but they were all impressed with the fuel economy.
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01-16-2012, 03:42 AM
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They got a score of ONE STAR on the side impact crash test. I don't think I've ever heard of a modern car that scored that low. Regardless of how many miles you can drive it, or what gas mileage it can get, it was an under-engineered car that was the worst in its class for the better part of a decade.
01-16-2012, 01:04 PM
#108
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You're infatuated, wearing blinders...not to mention seeming unintelligent.
01-16-2012, 01:47 PM
#109
I think it might be beyond just 'talk', I thought it was actually a done deal. I believe it's supposed to be a traditional 7 speed manual with a clutch but there is also talk of an F1/SMG style clutchless manumatic (not sure if it would be a 6 or 7 speed) and if it happens I'd probably be all over that for my C7 if/when I order it.
01-16-2012, 02:27 PM
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I love America, and freedom too.
Agreed.
and freedom too.
01-16-2012, 03:48 PM
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You're joking, right?You know if you really love something you can see it faults and still love it for them. I love GM and many of their cars from their worst era of car building. I love those cars and I know they're crap.
You're infatuated, wearing blinders...not to mention seeming unintelligent.
You're infatuated, wearing blinders...not to mention seeming unintelligent.
01-17-2012, 06:26 AM
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I'm sure they didn't just say "hey let's add some speeds!" I would wager you didn't voice these same concerns when Chevrolet announced the new 6spd automatic in the Corvette. I mean, you did buy one. And these newer multi-speed transmissions aren't just adding overdrives, they are trying to eliminate dead spots. Though I wouldn't have minded a 7th gear double-overdrive in my S2000. 4,000rpm at 75mph doesn't "get old," but when you're just cruising I'm sure it would have helped gas mileage.
01-17-2012, 10:10 AM
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3.665
2.396
1.610
1.190
1.000
0.826 \
0.643 -- Does appear to be 3 overdrives.
0.556 /
Final drive was listed as 3.909.
The jump from first to second is pretty large, second to thrid is better, third to forth is good and after fourth they are minute. I mean the drops betwen the last 5 gears are .190, .174, .183, and .087. Really?
01-17-2012, 10:15 AM
#114
8 speeds?
ya know my gmc has a 6 speed tranny and I can't stand it. who wants to downshift 5 times to go up a hill?
Hyundai is notorious about copying the style of other cars. On this one, they're trying to channel nisasn's GT-R super(expensive)car.
ya know my gmc has a 6 speed tranny and I can't stand it. who wants to downshift 5 times to go up a hill?
Hyundai is notorious about copying the style of other cars. On this one, they're trying to channel nisasn's GT-R super(expensive)car.
01-17-2012, 12:40 PM
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I just found a list of gearing. I do not know if this is V6 specific or if the same ratios are used on all three engines:
3.665
2.396
1.610
1.190
1.000
0.826 \
0.643 -- Does appear to be 3 overdrives.
0.556 /
Final drive was listed as 3.909.
The jump from first to second is pretty large, second to thrid is better, third to forth is good and after fourth they are minute. I mean the drops betwen the last 5 gears are .190, .174, .183, and .087. Really?
3.665
2.396
1.610
1.190
1.000
0.826 \
0.643 -- Does appear to be 3 overdrives.
0.556 /
Final drive was listed as 3.909.
The jump from first to second is pretty large, second to thrid is better, third to forth is good and after fourth they are minute. I mean the drops betwen the last 5 gears are .190, .174, .183, and .087. Really?
. I intended it like, "it's not like they took a transmission geared like the T56 and added one or two overdrives." But like I said, I'm sure they did their R&D, so I'll assume that the transmission works well with the engines. Guess we'll find out.
01-17-2012, 03:11 PM
#116
Yeah, I am sure they identified a reason for it. Just seems to me with the great power and torque these engines make having so many gears so close together is......just......odd.
01-17-2012, 03:56 PM
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I think a lot of us need to get on with the times and accept the fact the LS1 isn't as fast as it used to be. I posted in a threadin another section about saying how i thought the wrx was a good car and got flamed like no other. This little Hyundai is probably a decent runner.
01-24-2012, 03:57 PM
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One of the most trouble-free vehicles I've ever owned was a Hyundai... a '92 Excel. It was my winter beater and it never failed me, though it was quite the rusty little bucket. With a 4 on the floor and a Mitsubishi 1.5L 4 popper under hood, it managed 35mpg TOTALLY loaded down with stuff when I moved 1100 miles. No real problems, but it did have bad valve stem seals which caused smoke with each start up.
Now then... Hyundai has clearly been getting better. Moreover, it's going to be better still. After all, they had a long way to go in basically every department.
This new-found 42hp will be great for the brand image and it will ultimately make for a quicker little car. Will it now outpace the Camaro LT or Mustang V6? Probably by a hair or at least run even with them. It didn't exactly have a ton of ground to make up, however.
This means that 3 of 4 players in the V6 pony car market have stepped forward their game... Leaving only Ford to upgrade. Will Ford do that? Idonno, but I suspect not, unless they too add more gears to their forward progress. They'd MUCH rather maintain the fuel economy lead in this economy. Particularly considering Ford still "officially speaking" holds all the marbles in the contests between the 4, offering the best economy, handling, etc., I think they'll sit on their laurels with this one, at least for awhile.
Cool little car, but MAN does it look small! I'm another who has no use for that nightmare we call a grille.
With a 4 on the floor and a Mitsubishi 1.5L 4 popper under hood, it managed 35mpg TOTALLY loaded down with stuff when I moved 1100 miles. No real problems, but it did have bad valve stem seals which caused smoke with each start up.Now then... Hyundai has clearly been getting better. Moreover, it's going to be better still. After all, they had a long way to go in basically every department.
This new-found 42hp will be great for the brand image and it will ultimately make for a quicker little car. Will it now outpace the Camaro LT or Mustang V6? Probably by a hair or at least run even with them. It didn't exactly have a ton of ground to make up, however.
This means that 3 of 4 players in the V6 pony car market have stepped forward their game... Leaving only Ford to upgrade. Will Ford do that? Idonno, but I suspect not, unless they too add more gears to their forward progress. They'd MUCH rather maintain the fuel economy lead in this economy. Particularly considering Ford still "officially speaking" holds all the marbles in the contests between the 4, offering the best economy, handling, etc., I think they'll sit on their laurels with this one, at least for awhile.
Cool little car, but MAN does it look small! I'm another who has no use for that nightmare we call a grille.