The camaro is really growing on me.
I wish it was lighter, but it seems like it would make for a really bad *** daily driver.
I'll be monitoring used car prices for them in the coming years.

 

maybe superior to the old 5.0...but not the coyote 5.0. but i understand your a GM homer so debating this is useless

 

Apples to Oranges.

They seem roughly equivalent to me.

 

the 5.0 is a tough motor but some people act like the ls3 is a boat anchor I just dont get it. I like the platform of the lsx because how easy it is to work on ie. cam swaps and massive stroker kits. However for just a bolt on car maybe 5.0s have it. I think if it werent for the weight and irs it wouldnt be the case.

 

i agree i think the ls3 is way better of a motor than the 5.0, its just the rest of the car that kills it, give it time though once 5th gen prices come down and some more skilled people can get there hands on them i think we will think better things about the 5th gen, but untill then its a heavy car with so so performance

 

I agree. They're BOTH great motors but in the 'stock' or 'bolt ons only' race between the SS and the GT, it's very likely the damn extra 200+ pounds (and 20" wheels/tires) of the SS that are keeping them from being otherwise pretty damn evenly matched. It is what it is, we can't do the 'what ifs' and 'but ifs' here, but both motors are making GREAT power and push these two cars along nicely.
And of course the new 392/6.4L Hemi motor has now brought the (heavier and much more costly) Challenger SRT8 into contention here as well.

 

See, that's the thing with opinions.


Everybody has one and they think that their opinion is the only one that matters.

 

^This. I enjoy the feel of driving an OHV engine more than an OHC, so that's what I choose. That said, I love Mustangs too, just not as much.

The original thread in the mustang forum gave me a headache. We have our nutswinging here, but over there it just seems blind.

Someone posed a question of what times a 2002 Camaro and Mustang would run with basic bolt-ons. To which he was answered "LT4's had 330hp and the LT5 had 405hp...make my engine OHC please!"

 

Wow.

 

Board is like this one, couple idiots and trolls and few who know what the **** is going on.

 

There are blind posters over here too. You just don't see them in the same light because they have similar interests to you (F-Body/OHV).

 

I like my car better than a new Camaro, Mustang or Challenger...flame me (puts flame suit on).

 

In recent years I have steered away from biases and tried to be accepting of all car people. Only when people are down right wrong (yet very "sure" about what they are talking about) do I feel like they need to be put in their place.

On the other hand, I love to debate and I do have some preferences, which many people confuse with nutswinging and biases.

 

LoL, I think the majority of people have biases and are to a certain extent "nutswingers".

People that are truly unbiased are in the vast minority IMO.

 

lol....that site is hilarious! I'm surprised they even posted that information if they're going to bitch about it.

 

You're kidding right?
The LS3 is lighter, smaller, more powerful and cheaper. The Coyote 5.0 is a great engine, but to say its a better performance engine out of the box then the LS3 is just wrong.

 

no i am not kidding. you are right the LS3 is hella more powerful 426hp>412hp all day long wake up dude. LS3 is 1.2L bigger and can only outpower the coyote by 14hp=weak sauce. just in case you dont remember, the coyote was hitting 10s a month after its release, and 9s a couple of months later, and 8s before the end of the first model year. i like GM just like any other person here, but i am not blind to the facts.

 

when i heard gm was bringing back the camaro, i knew it would sell like hotcakes. i never really understood why they stopped building it to begin with.

this is a good time to be a hot rodder......we have the muscle car wars all over again, except that todays easily outshine yesterdays.

 

there's only 2 kinds of "car people" i don't like.

1)ricers. can't friggin stand the sound of those angry bumblebees.
2)blind brand loyalists. it doesn't matter ford, chevy, dodge......get real. a ******* engine has no clue what name is stamped on its valve covers. it only knows what you put in it.

other than that, i like most all car people.

 

Displacement is the only thing that matters in making horsepower?
The 5.0 is running 4 cams, 32 valves and more compression. I guess that doesnt mean a damn thing?

The two companies have chosen to go about making power in different ways. Both have pluses and minuses.

For max effort strip NA one would probably opt for the ls3. The 5.0 can only be taken to about 318 cubes. Heads and cam with stock bottom end the ls3 is showing about a 30hp advantage. This would only grow further if one were to stroke out the ls3 and the 5.0 is stuck at 318 cubes.

And yes it hit 10s in months after its release. Evolutions shop car with 500lbs removed. Congrats. LS1 cars have went 9's na years ago with extensive weight reduction. Hell...bolt on ls2's (vette vs stripped stang) that weigh more than that car have went 10's.