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02-08-2012, 10:54 PM
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02-08-2012, 10:59 PM
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Same exact car down to everything, weights, transmission, gearing, etc.
Put an LS3 in it, which is lighter and more powerful, and it will be faster than if you put the heavier and less powerful 5.0 in it. That is, if it physically fit.
So you'd have two identical cars down to the nuts and bolts. Each chassis without the engine weighs 3000lbs. The LS3 car will be a few lbs lighter after the engines are installed, AND had a little more power. More power + less weight = faster.
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02-09-2012, 07:22 AM
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More like point and laugh at the butthurt mustang fanboy...
No "loyalty" in this discussion, just plain and simple facts.
Stock for stock the LS3 is a better performance engine, its lighter, smaller and more powerful. Whether its a 1L engine or a 10L engine is completely and totally irreverent, because it still smaller and lighter - things that actually matter in the real world.
No "loyalty" in this discussion, just plain and simple facts.
Stock for stock the LS3 is a better performance engine, its lighter, smaller and more powerful. Whether its a 1L engine or a 10L engine is completely and totally irreverent, because it still smaller and lighter - things that actually matter in the real world.
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02-09-2012, 07:59 AM
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Ok fine. Lets break it down to simple math.
Same exact car down to everything, weights, transmission, gearing, etc.
Put an LS3 in it, which is lighter and more powerful, and it will be faster than if you put the heavier and less powerful 5.0 in it. That is, if it physically fit.
So you'd have two identical cars down to the nuts and bolts. Each chassis without the engine weighs 3000lbs. The LS3 car will be a few lbs lighter after the engines are installed, AND had a little more power. More power + less weight = faster.
Your turn.
Same exact car down to everything, weights, transmission, gearing, etc.
Put an LS3 in it, which is lighter and more powerful, and it will be faster than if you put the heavier and less powerful 5.0 in it. That is, if it physically fit.
So you'd have two identical cars down to the nuts and bolts. Each chassis without the engine weighs 3000lbs. The LS3 car will be a few lbs lighter after the engines are installed, AND had a little more power. More power + less weight = faster.
Your turn.
your turn.
02-09-2012, 08:00 AM
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Like i posted before, i dont own a mustang and am not a "fanboy". Your arguement about the LS3 being lighter(by 25 lbs but what good does that do when its in a boat anchor), smaller(????still dont get that one since the coyote's displacement is 1.2L smaller), more powerful( by 14hp and 20+tq...but again doesnt help when its in a tank) doesnt hold water. I would have entertained your arguement if you had better examples such as the LS3 having better internals, better flowing heads, more efficient, etc.. That to me qualifies as a better engine .
02-09-2012, 08:59 AM
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kinda dumb to compare a c6 to a mustang,thats just mo, if you keep it against the pony cars the mustang is the best buy period, i went out and test drove a 5th gen not to long ago and i feel its a much better car than a 4th gen but performance wasnt all there for the price tag, the mustang ran great, int was better and overall the car just felt alot stronger, factor in all that with the price for sure its the best buy, i still love the 5th gens and would like to own one but not for new retail price, ill wait for the budget lot lol
02-09-2012, 09:15 AM
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02-09-2012, 09:28 AM
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Like i posted before, i dont own a mustang and am not a "fanboy". Your arguement about the LS3 being lighter(by 25 lbs but what good does that do when its in a boat anchor), smaller(????still dont get that one since the coyote's displacement is 1.2L smaller), more powerful( by 14hp and 20+tq...but again doesnt help when its in a tank) doesnt hold water. I would have entertained your arguement if you had better examples such as the LS3 having better internals, better flowing heads, more efficient, etc.. That to me qualifies as a better engine .
You may need to do more research then, what about when in a V-engine (like the V8 we are talking about) the added size, weight, cost and complexity vs a pushrod engine?
Ford 5L pushrod and 4.6l mod motor...
LS2 and VQ35 V6
Fords 5.4L OHC vs 5.0L OHV
This kind of thing has been discussed on here countless times. I think Ill take the lighter, smaller, less complex, more powerful LS pushrod over an OHC V8...
I don't see any good reason GM would go with a DOHC V8, back in the late 90s they even admitted the Northstar V8 was made for marketing for the fanboys that want a "high tech" engine.
Ford 5L pushrod and 4.6l mod motor...
LS2 and VQ35 V6
Fords 5.4L OHC vs 5.0L OHV
This kind of thing has been discussed on here countless times. I think Ill take the lighter, smaller, less complex, more powerful LS pushrod over an OHC V8...
I don't see any good reason GM would go with a DOHC V8, back in the late 90s they even admitted the Northstar V8 was made for marketing for the fanboys that want a "high tech" engine.
Regardless, it's a damn personal preference. And I prefer the smaller, simpler package.
02-09-2012, 09:43 AM
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Well the 6.2 LS motor in the ZR1 motor makes 639hp...amazing what happens when you add different pieces to a motor, isn't it?
By the way, I feel like I'm trying to educate a stubborn know it all high school kid here...lol, just saying...
02-09-2012, 09:51 AM
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How do you not understand that the engine can be physically smaller on the outside, but still displace more on the inside? Displacement isn't size, it's the product of a damn math equation. I'll sum it up with a post made in another thread of OHC leg humping.
"some dyno tests" don't really mean crap in this instance. every dyno is different. ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL as already stated, a little less weight, a little more power will be a little bit faster. I'm talking 10ths or 100ths in the 1/4, but still.
Regardless, it's a damn personal preference. And I prefer the smaller, simpler package.
"some dyno tests" don't really mean crap in this instance. every dyno is different. ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL as already stated, a little less weight, a little more power will be a little bit faster. I'm talking 10ths or 100ths in the 1/4, but still.
Regardless, it's a damn personal preference. And I prefer the smaller, simpler package.
what really amazes me, is that ford never built the 4.6's that you found in the common gt's to make any real power. these engines have much much more potential than anyone thinks, and it could easily have been done.
02-09-2012, 09:57 AM
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02-09-2012, 10:08 AM
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I always enjoyed the fact at one manufacturer went OHC and one stayed pushrod *shrug*
Enthusiasts(not those blinded by brand loyalty) are able to choose between the two and have good results with either. There are huge aftermarkets with both and both are very capable. I never understand this intense need to choose one over the other. I like both for different reasons and for different applications.
Enthusiasts(not those blinded by brand loyalty) are able to choose between the two and have good results with either. There are huge aftermarkets with both and both are very capable. I never understand this intense need to choose one over the other. I like both for different reasons and for different applications.
02-09-2012, 10:26 AM
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The boss 302 (different from the standard coyote 5.0 we were talking about) also has different egnine internals. Sure, it's still the same "coyote" engine family, but the motor is itself different.
Well the 6.2 LS motor in the ZR1 motor makes 639hp...amazing what happens when you add different pieces to a motor, isn't it?
By the way, I feel like I'm trying to educate a stubborn know it all high school kid here...lol, just saying...
Well the 6.2 LS motor in the ZR1 motor makes 639hp...amazing what happens when you add different pieces to a motor, isn't it?
By the way, I feel like I'm trying to educate a stubborn know it all high school kid here...lol, just saying...
BTW, I dont think the federal govt hires high school kids..and my education level is well past that...please dont try to insult me in that sense...
02-09-2012, 10:33 AM
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I know the Boss has forged internals,CNC'd heads, intake...i just threw that in there for the sake of arguement, and i see your point about the ZR1. Like i posted before, i think that the coyote motor is being dismissed without any consideration of its ablilities just because its a Ford engine.
BTW, I dont think the federal govt hires high school kids..and my education level is well past that...please dont try to insult me in that sense...
BTW, I dont think the federal govt hires high school kids..and my education level is well past that...please dont try to insult me in that sense...
the coyote engine is only being dismissed by two types on here.
1)blind brand loyalists. i'm sure the same crap happens on ford boards.
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make that three types
2) people that like to argue here.
EDIT.....
make that three types
3) those that refuse to give up the past.
02-09-2012, 01:19 PM
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More like point and laugh at the butthurt mustang fanboy...
No "loyalty" in this discussion, just plain and simple facts.
Stock for stock the LS3 is a better performance engine, its lighter, smaller and more powerful. Whether its a 1L engine or a 10L engine is completely and totally irreverent, because it still smaller and lighter - things that actually matter in the real world.
No "loyalty" in this discussion, just plain and simple facts.
Stock for stock the LS3 is a better performance engine, its lighter, smaller and more powerful. Whether its a 1L engine or a 10L engine is completely and totally irreverent, because it still smaller and lighter - things that actually matter in the real world.