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Old 02-11-2012, 03:20 PM
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It would take a significant amount of $$ for a civic to beat a ZL1 or GT500, which most people are not willing to spend.
In the 1/4mi? You may be surprised. Civics are like Legos.
Old 02-11-2012, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
this..........plus i think we're all in for a surprise when it comes out.
I think that if the mustang isnt knocking on the door to 10's then i will be surprised for sure and yes i know the mustang will be faster and it should be by all means but how much faster do you guys think it should be for the extra power and lack of weight?
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Originally Posted by firebird99
I think that if the mustang isnt knocking on the door to 10's then i will be surprised for sure and yes i know the mustang will be faster and it should be by all means but how much faster do you guys think it should be for the extra power and lack of weight?
while i'd like to think that ford nailed it with this car......and from having driven a 9/10 second car........they dam well better have that traction control on the money, and/or something else up their sleeves.
Old 02-11-2012, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by firebird99
I think that if the mustang isnt knocking on the door to 10's then i will be surprised for sure and yes i know the mustang will be faster and it should be by all means but how much faster do you guys think it should be for the extra power and lack of weight?
Going 10s on stock/street tires with RWD in what will probably be a 3900+ pound (closer to 4050-4125+ with driver) car is no easy task, maybe even impossible. Even with 650hp.
But mid to low 11s (11.4s, maybe even an 11.2x), I think it's possible.

My predictions for either (bone stock) car in private (and/or Evan Smith's) hands:

ZL1 = 11.7s at over 121mph
2013 GT500 = 11.3s at over 124mph

Give or take a few.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Going 10s on stock/street tires with RWD in what will probably be a 3900+ pound (closer to 4050-4125+ with driver) car is no easy task, maybe even impossible. Even with 650hp.
But mid to low 11s (11.4s, maybe even an 11.2x), I think it's possible.

My predictions for either (bone stock) car in private (and/or Evan Smith's) hands:

ZL1 = 11.7s at over 121mph
2013 GT500 = 11.3s at over 124mph

Give or take a few.
That's about what I have been saying from the beginning. I'm sure there will be allot of them running much slower but I think that's what the real racers will be running.
The thing that get's me is some of the SVT fools that will be saying that the Shelby is so much better and so much faster when it runs a few tenths quicker.
I think the ZL1 has an advantage on the street though and that's that is available with an automatic and on the street they should have a big advantage over the Shelby. I can remember back in the late 80s my Grand National only ran low 12s but I outran allot of supercharged and nitroused Mustangs that were much faster. My friend had an LX Mustang that would go 11.70s at the track but I could outrun him 7 out of 10 times on the street.

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I think I'd like to see each of these cars on a real track, live and in person. Sadly, neither is truly available for an owner to go show off. Seems to me, the ZL1 will shine with the automatic and can do the same with a stellar driver using the manual. For now, I'd be happy enough to see a heads up 2012 matchup in real conditions, possibly with each OWNER switching driver seats for a better true comparison.
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Originally Posted by jleews6
I think the ZL1 has an advantage on the street though and that's that is available with an automatic and on the street they should have a big advantage over the Shelby.
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I think I'd like to see each of these cars on a real track, live and in person. Sadly, neither is truly available for an owner to go show off. Seems to me, the ZL1 will shine with the automatic and can do the same with a stellar driver using the manual. For now, I'd be happy enough to see a heads up 2012 matchup in real conditions, possibly with each OWNER switching driver seats for a better true comparison.
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
For now, I'd be happy enough to see a heads up 2012 matchup in real conditions, possibly with each OWNER switching driver seats for a better true comparison.
The driver would sandbag when driving the other person's car so their car seemed faster
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Originally Posted by firebird99
I think that if the mustang isnt knocking on the door to 10's then i will be surprised for sure and yes i know the mustang will be faster and it should be by all means but how much faster do you guys think it should be for the extra power and lack of weight?
not much on stock tires.

I think the fastest you see on stock tires is a 11.6 @ ~127-128.
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Originally Posted by Sax1031
not much on stock tires.

I think the fastest you see on stock tires is a 11.6 @ ~127-128.
I don't think it will trap quite that high in stock trim, at least not on stock/street tires.
The power (if the car really will come with 650hp that is) is certainly there for those kind of trap speeds but it's curb weight might be a factor, plus a loss of traction can cause a steady loss of forward momentum as well which will ultimately hinder it's ability reach a great trap speed before it hits 1320 feet.
Launch control/traction control might help some, but the power reduction and/or brake applications that normally accompany such systems can also prevent a maximum effort pass as well.
On a drag radial or slick in great air though those traps might be possible.
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With the car's weight, and it's ability to eclipse 200mph, it should trap purty close to that with traction.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
With the car's weight, and it's ability to eclipse 200mph, it should trap purty close to that with traction.
Agreed, though we don't actually know what the exact weight will be just yet either.
I assume that it will weigh at least a little more than the current GT500 as there are heavier duty supporting drive line pieces going into the new car that the current one doesn't have.
And of course there are probably some weight saving measures being taken to counter that as well. The car is going to be serious.
As I'd mentioned above, 127/128mph trap speeds probably aren't going to happen on factory/stock tires, but if the car meets it's projected (650hp) target then the car should certainly have enough power to trap that high (or higher?) on a drag radial or slick.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Going 10s on stock/street tires with RWD in what will probably be a 3900+ pound (closer to 4050-4125+ with driver) car is no easy task, maybe even impossible. Even with 650hp.
But mid to low 11s (11.4s, maybe even an 11.2x), I think it's possible.

My predictions for either (bone stock) car in private (and/or Evan Smith's) hands:

ZL1 = 11.7s at over 121mph
2013 GT500 = 11.3s at over 124mph

Give or take a few.
There are multiple (unofficial/unconfiormed) reports of the 2013 going 11.6-11.7 in the quarter on stock rubber. With good air, and a bigs and little combo, it will go 10s.
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10's could happen........

http://jalopnik.com/217147/first-in-...cond-gt500-run
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I think Zl1 and 13 Shelby will be a closer race then most think... Many over on svt performance are thinking the Shelby is gonna out run the Z06 and Im having a hard time believing that atm.
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Originally Posted by nanokpsi
There are multiple (unofficial/unconfiormed) reports of the 2013 going 11.6-11.7 in the quarter on stock rubber. With good air, and a bigs and little combo, it will go 10s.
I think that's a given. After all, we've been told many times the current GT500 has seen at least 11.20's with only added rubber. 100 more hp and 2 tenths quicker will be easy. Even with another 100 lb added to the nose(which I just can't see).

Also, I believe the ZL1 will be a great runner against the current GT500, but when considering only the 1/4 mile, it's gonna have major problems with the 2013 version. I believe the ZL1 should be close to 10's with slicks too, but it's gonna be all but impossible to trump that hp and weight difference, best for best ET's. Of course, unless Ford options in an automatic, their "best" will likely never be seen. On the other hand, they claim to have an excellent launching program in this new car. We shall see about that.



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