Holden Commodore Returning to the US as 2014 Chevrolet Super Sport V8, RWD Sedan
05-23-2012, 06:28 AM
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05-23-2012, 08:55 AM
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They're great cars no doubt. The American buying public has rejected the commodore twice now for whatever reason, and continually bringing the car to market is starting to look foolish from a business perspective. Hopefully things will be different this time around.
05-23-2012, 11:44 AM
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It also landed during an economic crisis when the entire industry wasn't selling cars. Many dealers firesaled them after Pontiac was discontinued and they lost their franchise agreements. Considering the times it sold quite well and much better than the prior Holden import. Being an exceptional car and the last muscle/performance car Pontiac sold has resulted in many G8 owners having equity in their cars. There aren't too many vehicles made like that.
The Monaro was sold here as the Pontiac GTO years priors and that car did recieve up to $7,000 off direct from GM to customers.
05-23-2012, 12:27 PM
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The Commodore was sold here once before as the Pontiac G8, it did not recieve huge manufacturer incentives. It was not sold here twice.
It also landed during an economic crisis when the entire industry wasn't selling cars. Many dealers firesaled them after Pontiac was discontinued and they lost their franchise agreements. Considering the times it sold quite well and much better than the prior Holden import. Being an exceptional car and the last muscle/performance car Pontiac sold has resulted in many G8 owners having equity in their cars. There aren't too many vehicles made like that.
The Monaro was sold here as the Pontiac GTO years priors and that car did recieve up to $7,000 off direct from GM to customers.
It also landed during an economic crisis when the entire industry wasn't selling cars. Many dealers firesaled them after Pontiac was discontinued and they lost their franchise agreements. Considering the times it sold quite well and much better than the prior Holden import. Being an exceptional car and the last muscle/performance car Pontiac sold has resulted in many G8 owners having equity in their cars. There aren't too many vehicles made like that.
The Monaro was sold here as the Pontiac GTO years priors and that car did recieve up to $7,000 off direct from GM to customers.
You can look at the sales figures with rose colored glasses but after a couple good months after being released they weren't selling. There was a large unsold inventory going into the Pontiac sale, period. In addition incentives on the G8 were greater than those for other models during the fire sale.
Blame what you want, they didn't sell until the price was dropped several thousand below msrp.
05-23-2012, 02:37 PM
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My mistake on the monaro
You can look at the sales figures with rose colored glasses but after a couple good months after being released they weren't selling. There was a large unsold inventory going into the Pontiac sale, period. In addition incentives on the G8 were greater than those for other models during the fire sale.
Blame what you want, they didn't sell until the price was dropped several thousand below msrp.
You can look at the sales figures with rose colored glasses but after a couple good months after being released they weren't selling. There was a large unsold inventory going into the Pontiac sale, period. In addition incentives on the G8 were greater than those for other models during the fire sale.
Blame what you want, they didn't sell until the price was dropped several thousand below msrp.
GM will debut the new Gen V engine in a flagship car (Vette), not this. Vette will go Gen V first, followed by this car, Camaro, and CTS-V.
05-23-2012, 04:36 PM
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The 2014 Corvette will likely be the very first vehicle to receive the new (Direct Injection, VVT?) V8.
We should know more about it by January (or sooner).
05-23-2012, 10:23 PM
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I can't think of any vehicle on the planet, good or bad, that would sell for **** when the consumers know the company is going under. Even though GM covers Pontiac, the Pontiac name being discontinued was a pretty big deterrent on the sales. Same issue with all Saturn vehicles.
05-24-2012, 06:06 AM
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If they offer it as a performance model only it will fail period. I would like to see them have multiple trim models much like the G8 but with better looks and cheaper price. I know it's asking alot but with so many well built sedans in the class that it will fall into they can't screw up like most feel they did when they brought back the attractive yet some what under performing f-body.
05-24-2012, 03:00 PM
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You said G8 sales were horrible because the car sucked and no one liked it. I say the car was fine but suffered due to Pontiac being discontinued. I don't see how that is off the point, but whatever...
The concern with too many trim levels is that it throws this car into a pretty packed sedan lineup for GM/Chevy. In V6 trim, it will be in direct competition with the Impala, which already suffers a bit from buyers preferring the redesigned Malibu to it.
If they offer it as a performance model only it will fail period. I would like to see them have multiple trim models much like the G8 but with better looks and cheaper price. I know it's asking alot but with so many well built sedans in the class that it will fall into they can't screw up like most feel they did when they brought back the attractive yet some what under performing f-body.
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05-24-2012, 03:25 PM
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You said G8 sales were horrible because the car sucked and no one liked it. I say the car was fine but suffered due to Pontiac being discontinued. I don't see how that is off the point, but whatever...
The concern with too many trim levels is that it throws this car into a pretty packed sedan lineup for GM/Chevy. In V6 trim, it will be in direct competition with the Impala, which already suffers a bit from buyers preferring the redesigned Malibu to it.
The concern with too many trim levels is that it throws this car into a pretty packed sedan lineup for GM/Chevy. In V6 trim, it will be in direct competition with the Impala, which already suffers a bit from buyers preferring the redesigned Malibu to it.
You the point because what I was saying was it wasn't selling well even before Pontiac was known to be done. Reading comp, maybe you should take a class
05-24-2012, 03:53 PM
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My mistake on the monaro
You can look at the sales figures with rose colored glasses but after a couple good months after being released they weren't selling. There was a large unsold inventory going into the Pontiac sale, period. In addition incentives on the G8 were greater than those for other models during the fire sale.
Blame what you want, they didn't sell until the price was dropped several thousand below msrp.
You can look at the sales figures with rose colored glasses but after a couple good months after being released they weren't selling. There was a large unsold inventory going into the Pontiac sale, period. In addition incentives on the G8 were greater than those for other models during the fire sale.
Blame what you want, they didn't sell until the price was dropped several thousand below msrp.
Half the point of offering the car through Chevrolet is to take up Holden's excess capacity which is said to be about 10k units per year.
Between the Caprice and Super Sport that should make Holden pretty efficient and saves them and GM money.
For better or worse, GM is bringing the car to market again. It will find an audience which will likely be larger than the audience the CTS-V finds.
05-24-2012, 06:16 PM
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I in no way meant I didn't like the 5th gen I love it I just can't afford one due to being unemployed so I deal with my 99. I'm a big dude and when I first sat in one I fell in love and I don't care about blind spots it's a sports car that swallows a big dude with ease and is way more comfortable then a 4th gen. I hope they continue to sell like hot cakes so more used models will pop so when I get the flow I can pick one up cheap but they seem to be holding there value. My only complaint is that I wish a RS model had the choice between a v6 or a 5.3 so you could get a cheap v8 and help set the SS model apart. I would rather see GM focus more on a lighter chassis then more power and let me bolt on what I want.
05-24-2012, 08:04 PM
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I wouldn't be so quick to throw stones, captain grammar.
05-24-2012, 10:02 PM
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True, and while the G8 V6s and even the GTs might've been discounted by some dealerships, the GXP models NEVER were. From what I remember they sold every single one of those rather quickly and almost all at or near MSRP.
05-25-2012, 11:27 AM
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I hope it's as popular as the 94-96 Impala SS cars were. Pontiac G8 was a bit ill fated with the demise of Pontiac. But I think that the G8 in a Chevrolet format marketed correctly as the second coming of the popular B-body Impala SS would have done well. The Camaro has done well, so people aren't anti RWD as many would make you think. I considered a G8 GT versus a full size trick in 2008, ended up with the Sierra but all the reviews on the G8 I read were really positive. Every time I see a clean Impala SS at a car show, I am reminded how cool those cars were back in the day, I think a new one could do really well. I know I would replace my Sierra with one.
05-25-2012, 11:59 AM
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Here's the current HSV performance center in 2010, similar to what the new SRT8 cars have. It's a good chance the Super Sport will have this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLmLhHnkaQw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLmLhHnkaQw