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Old 05-21-2012, 12:11 PM
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14.3 1/4 in 1985 is pretty impressive.

I wish they would have used the TPI trans am. but i guess they didn't want to test 2 TPI's

cool music selection too. i always liked Jan and Dean (deadman's curve and drag city are in the commercial)
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Nice vid...
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Cool video, thanks for sharing
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That was priceless
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
yea, that's why i say 79. it took them till 82 to come up with an answer to the fox body.
True, but the 79-81 Mustangs, even the V8 models, were horrifically slow and boring so it's difficult to include them...'82 was when the real fire started.





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I get what you're saying there, it makes sense, but I feel the Trans Am was still hanging on to the original muscle car ear until 1979. For 78-79 the Pontiac 400 was actually rated at 220hp, up from 200 for 1977.
Good point as well, the 78/79 Trans Am or Formula WS6 with the real Pontiac 400 (not necessarily the Oldsmobile 403) was a very capable performer as well, not just straight line but they handled relatively well also.
The Camaro Z28 (though still fun cars) from that 77-81 era, not quite so much.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
True, but the 79-81 Mustangs, even the V8 models, were horrifically slow and boring so it's difficult to include them...'82 was when the real fire started.





Good point as well, the 78/79 Trans Am or Formula WS6 with the real Pontiac 400 (not necessarily the Oldsmobile 403) was a very capable performer as well, not just straight line but they handled relatively well also.
The Camaro Z28 (though still fun cars) from that 77-81 era, not quite so much.
YEA.....that's why i bought an 83, although i liked the looks of the earllier gt's better......but i waited a bit.
funny thing, when my 83 was only running high 13's i was hammering a friends old style trans am on a regular basis, when we used to run on the runway of a closed down airport.
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YEA.....that's why i bought an 83, although i liked the looks of the earllier gt's better......but i waited a bit.
funny thing, when my 83 was only running high 13's i was hammering a friends old style trans am on a regular basis, when we used to run on the runway of a closed down airport.
Those early 5.0s were fast (for the era) no doubt. They may not have been the most potent but the cars were lightweight.
To me the pinnacle of Fox body 5.0s was still the 97-93 cars, but the mid '80s carburetor models got it done as well.
I remember the '85 was the height of the 'carburetor era' 5.0s with the better heads and all. I remember test driving an '86 automatic (the very first of the fuel injected cars) back in early '87 and it wasn't bad. Then my good friend bought an '88 GT 5.0 convertible and I was hooked.
It would be another few years until I actually bought my '91 LX 5.0 notchback, to date still one of my all time favorite cars of the many I've owned.
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I think the 5.0 was responsible for a lot of people dying.
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Having lived through that era I agree 1982 was the year that reignited our tastes for V8 musclecars. The '82 GT and the '82 F-body's were the spark. From that year on the cars got better and faster.
15 second 1/4 miles may seem mundane even by family sedans standards nowadays but back then that was hauling the mail. Especially on RT.37 on your way back from Seaside. And I will tell you what a stock powered 5-spd Fox Body is one of the most fun cars you'll ever drive.
Now I want to trade my DD Honda for a Fox, gas prices be damned!

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Those early 5.0s were fast (for the era) no doubt. They may not have been the most potent but the cars were lightweight.
To me the pinnacle of Fox body 5.0s was still the 97-93 cars, but the mid '80s carburetor models got it done as well.
I remember the '85 was the height of the 'carburetor era' 5.0s with the better heads and all. I remember test driving an '86 automatic (the very first of the fuel injected cars) back in early '87 and it wasn't bad. Then my good friend bought an '88 GT 5.0 convertible and I was hooked.
It would be another few years until I actually bought my '91 LX 5.0 notchback, to date still one of my all time favorite cars of the many I've owned.
Good Post.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Those early 5.0s were fast (for the era) no doubt. They may not have been the most potent but the cars were lightweight.
To me the pinnacle of Fox body 5.0s was still the 97-93 cars, but the mid '80s carburetor models got it done as well.
I remember the '85 was the height of the 'carburetor era' 5.0s with the better heads and all. I remember test driving an '86 automatic (the very first of the fuel injected cars) back in early '87 and it wasn't bad. Then my good friend bought an '88 GT 5.0 convertible and I was hooked.
It would be another few years until I actually bought my '91 LX 5.0 notchback, to date still one of my all time favorite cars of the many I've owned.
86 WAS ALSO the year for a slight change in the front lower control arm mounting. this improved the handling a LOT. i couldn't stand the way my 83 handled....but back then i was young, and only cared about going straight. the twisties didn't hold much interest to me, especially when the car i was driving kept trying to kill me in them.
my 89 on the other hand, handled VERY nicely, and probably a lot better than most non-ford guys will admit.
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Originally Posted by LS1vazquez
I think the 5.0 was responsible for a lot of people dying.
no....that would be the drivers being stupid. a car can't kill ya on its own, any more than a gun can kill ya on its own.
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Originally Posted by 7998
15 second 1/4 miles may seem mundane even by family sedans standards nowadays but back then that was hauling the mail. Especially on RT.37 on your way back from Seaside. And I will tell you what a stock powered 5-spd Fox Body is one of the most fun cars you'll ever drive.


One of my fondest 5.0 memories was cruising to Seaside (via Route 37) in my friend's '88 GT 'vert on a warm (but not too hot) clear sky evening.
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
no....that would be the drivers being stupid. a car can't kill ya on its own, any more than a gun can kill ya on its own.
Dude....did you see that thing in the turns????
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1


One of my fondest 5.0 memories was cruising to Seaside (via Route 37) in my friend's '88 GT 'vert on a warm (but not too hot) clear sky evening.
now see? you didn't feel like the thing was falling apart? my girlfriends 89 gt convertible was a rattle trap. it was worse than a 3rd gen camaro with leaking t-roofs, bad door hinges, and dead hatch/hood struts. the thing flexed more than a steroid addicted muscle head(no offense to those of you in here....)

seriously....as much as i love my mustangs, the ragtops were crap in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Dude....did you see that thing in the turns????
No but i saw it drag the Firebird and Iroc in the quarter though! lol! The carbed manual T/a had to be the strongest combo of that year.
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
now see? you didn't feel like the thing was falling apart? my girlfriends 89 gt convertible was a rattle trap. it was worse than a 3rd gen camaro with leaking t-roofs, bad door hinges, and dead hatch/hood struts. the thing flexed more than a steroid addicted muscle head(no offense to those of you in here....)

seriously....as much as i love my mustangs, the ragtops were crap in my opinion.
Ahh your missing the whole point of the car. Nothing made a hotties panties drop faster then a 5.0 rag top rocking some Slippery When Wet through your Super Tuner. Sure it rattled and shook but that was what 25w per channel and Flowmasters were for. Sure if your wanted to be a track hero you rocked the LX and Trick Flowed this, B303 cammed that but you were still gonna get stomped by the guy in the 327 Vega with 4.11's.

http://youtu.be/gMbxOUgPDsI
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Originally Posted by 7998
Ahh your missing the whole point of the car. Nothing made a hotties panties drop faster then a 5.0 rag top rocking some Slippery When Wet through your Super Tuner. Sure it rattled and shook but that was what 25w per channel and Flowmasters were for. Sure if your wanted to be a track hero you rocked the LX and Trick Flowed this, B303 cammed that but you were still gonna get stomped by the guy in the 327 Vega with 4.11's.

http://youtu.be/gMbxOUgPDsI
aahh....NOW i understand why so many people hate fox mustangs......******* vanilla ice liked em........LOLOLOL

yea, i see your point. my 89 was running an x303. the b didn't seem like enough. i should've run 4.10's though, but stubbornly stuck with 3.73's.

i had a friend that had a vega sedan delivery, with a 283 in it. i liked that car.
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Originally Posted by 7998
Ahh your missing the whole point of the car. Nothing made a hotties panties drop faster then a 5.0 rag top rocking some Slippery When Wet through your Super Tuner. Sure it rattled and shook but that was what 25w per channel and Flowmasters were for. Sure if your wanted to be a track hero you rocked the LX and Trick Flowed this, B303 cammed that but you were still gonna get stomped by the guy in the 327 Vega with 4.11's.
Haha, sounds like a great time
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I'm old enough but ive never seen that, again good times. I agree that 82 5.0 got the ball rolling, but after 86 and fuel injection it seemed like everyone had a fox body. I was never a ford kind of guy, so I was stoked when they put the lt1 and six speed in the 93 camaro. Same year I got my licence.
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
No but i saw it drag the Firebird and Iroc in the quarter though! lol! The carbed manual T/a had to be the strongest combo of that year.
Yea.....cause no one ever has to stop or turn . So you agree that the carb'ed mustang was faster than the later fuel injected ones that everyone just raves about.


I don't think so. It would take better than perfect conditions for a 5.0 fi'ed notch to run a 14.3.....think about it.

Also the IROC ran a 14.7(definitely possible), I guess the carbed 305 t/a ran a 14.5 (which I don't think would happen either) because it beat the IROC and then got beat by the Mustang.


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