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Old 08-23-2012, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by caseypayne69
We're talking about today's cars. Sure the 2008 Camry was so so. But my wife's 2012 Camry SE poops all over the current Mali and Impala. I also daily drive 2009 Nissan Altima and wish I had a 2013 Ford Fusion Titanium with the 2.0 Ecoboost.

If GM ever does die, I hope Ford buys the corvette brand and slaps a 3.7 twin turbo in it.
This thread was dying peacefully...I don't see why you had to go and ruin it with your existence.
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The Cruze and Sonic are good, but neither is segment-leading...which is what GM needs right now.
segment leading is nice but ill settle for being profitable right now.
Old 08-24-2012, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
segment leading is nice but ill settle for being profitable right now.
Agreed. As long as they can continue to make a profit better cars will follow, hopefully.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
The Cruze and Sonic are good, but neither is segment-leading...which is what GM needs right now.
For 2011 The Cruze had very strong number in the small car segment.

Corolla/Matrix - 240,259

Cruze/Cobalt - 232,588

Civic - 221,235

Elantra - 186,361

Jetta - 177,360

Focus - 175,717

The Sonic/Aveo had pretty decent numbers as well. I don't feel like posting them, but here's the link.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/01...-year-end.html

FWIW, GM hasn't made a small car in either of these segments that was nearly this competitive in sales and quality since...well, ever.
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I definitely agree with that.
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Outsold the Civic and was darn close to the Corolla. That's doing pretty well IMO.
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Impressive, certainly...but let's not forget how long both of those cars had been out essentially unchanged at that point.



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