Thank you for your well thought out contribution.

 

True. However, the GT500 seems to be getting past the finish line first.

 

I agree.

I'd go ahead and bet the Boss will outrun the 1LE during any street encounter.

 

In fact I do. Chevy has years of PROVEN racing history and you guys don't think they know how to make a car go around the track? Be real about it. How many race cars has Ford built that goes like stink around the track? Nothing on this level. I can tell you that...

 

Really? You'd guys kill me these cars are built for the track sorry road course so nobody gets confused yet you say the road course doesn't matter and you focus on straight line performance thats sad.

While I'm not completely on board with these times against the boss just yet since they did fool us with the taunting of 11 sec time slips with the zl1 but if Chevy did manage to beat it with more weight and less power that would be rather impressive.

 

I've been accused of being a "Ford nut swinger" by a couple of morons on this board in times past, but I have given the 1LE's accomplishments at VIR their just due. It is very impressive, and is EXACTLY what a track package of this sort should deliver to the consumer. It would appear that they are finally figuring out how to make this chassis dance the way we were led to believe it would in the very beginning.

Nonetheless, I do find the observation very interesting...that the Shelby is considered (by a few here) a lesser track car despite putting out faster lap times during several tests against the ZL1, yet the Boss is being crowned the 1LE's bitch following the release of a video of a single lap run by a GM driver. Seems like two sets of rules in play here. I'm not going to throw the BS flag just yet, but I'd like to see more of this car in action before I put either one up on the pedestal. The Boss is a fairly well known quantity at this point...whereas this one lap video is just the 1LE's opening volley. If every following salvo hits just as hard, then I think its safe to say that GM has finally exceeded what Ford is capable of accomplishing with a live axle sports coupe. But if the tests to follow fall far short of what we see presented in this video, then its going to be a long day for GM's PR department.

 

The fact that ZL1 is faster in most short tracks, and slower by only a tad bit in longer tracks is a huge accomplishment due to the fact of it's 300lb extra weight and lack of 80hp, where is the credit there? There are no credit because we live in a country that doesn't appreciate corners like europe does, so only 1/4miles get looked at and majority of the car magazines crown the zl1 the winner due to the feel, comfort, break and the overall confident it gives the driver. But surely every car magazine is incorrect right? And everyone in this forum owns one of the cars right? To not give props to either one of the cars for what they are is just being silly

 

Well said...

 

Oh pipe down. Where did I knock either of these cars? I was just pointing out the double standard at work amongst some in here. And let's not pretend that all the GM hotrodders on this site have always cared more dearly about handling over 1/4 mile potential, because we all know that's bullshit. In fact, back in 2009, all anyone around here cared about when the new Camaro SS debuted against the 4.6 Mustang GT was how much more powerful it was than Ford's 315hp pony. No one cared that the Mustang was just as good on the road course (and even better than the SS in a number of handling tests). It was all about 426 hp LS3 > 315hp 4.6. It wasn't until the Camaro's handling chops started to come into their own that guys like yourself starting championing handling prowess as the superior measure of a car's worth.

I think all these Mustang and Camaro models being offered now are a ridiculous value when compared to the rest of their competition in this segment. Like I said, I find what the 1LE did at VIR to be DAMN impressive. I just find it amusing to see all the Ford and Chevy guys tearing themselves up from constantly jumping fences to land on the side of the argument that best suits their inner fanboy.

 

I want each company to continually out-do each other, so these cars continue to keep getting better.

 

Agreed. And it's nice that both are on-board with this 1-upmanship contest that we have going on now...as opposed to much of the last 15 years or so, when only one or the other really gave it a serious go at any given time.

 

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...2/viewall.html

 

Every race ends in... a DRAG RACE!

So far, like it or not, nobody with a clue cares which car cornered faster during a lap around a road course. They care which one ran the quicker lap and to that end, the idea of the GT500 being a 1 trick pony, AFTER it crushed the ZL1 in nearly every ACTUAL test, is simply absurd.

It has run quicker laps on the road course AND it simply smashes the ZL1 in a straight line. Get over it. The Ford boys can get over the fact GT500's truly need a far better rear brake! From what I've read, getting the high quality stoppers I'd like will add THOUSANDS to the price of an already expensive road terror. Given that upgrade, I honestly expect the GT500 to annihilate the ZL1 even through the corners. All that said, the best thing about the GT500 in comparison to the ZL1 in my opnion is that one won't be needing a rocket scientist to adjust suspension. I believe a well done aftermarket 2010-up SS suspension package may be highly overpriced, but that it allows that still less expensive SS out-handle the ZL1. There's no question at all, the exact same will hold true for the GT500, as it too lacks an un-modifiable and extremely expensive suspension system.

As for the 1LE beating the Boss LS, that's another story. Did this actually take place in like, February? Idonno... I haven't seen results with showroom 1LE's though, and I'd like to because this model is much less expensive than the Boss, let alone the Boss LS. I still can't see behind me, so I have no intention to buy one, but I'll like it more if this is a production version. I'm no big fan of the Boss versions anyway. "Cool factor" is huge, but it doesn't get me to and from my places of interest. A well running vehicle does, and it can look like a tank or a turnip as long as it never leaves me stranded. Pretty doesn't get the job done for me where cars are concerned. Capable does.

 

Eh.. They chose the Boss... FOOLS! I mean, if we're talking about a road race here, that's just a bad decision. If they prefer to see what's beside or behind, I think they have a point. The same for straight line racing. Otherwise, I'm not sure what they were really thinking.

 

a 1le has me interested and excited. its priced right and its an improvement over an SS.


maybe someday.

 

HUGE improvement! As we've noted before, there ARE parts to make the SS hit some downright stunning numbers in the handling department. From what I've read on this site alone, anyone could make an SS handle better than the ZL1. That isn't to say it will be worth more, because it won't. However, better is better.

Were it not for the terrible driver outward view, I'd have gotten an SS in 2009 when the gal allowed me to take her for a test and decided it was goregous. She wanted NOTHING MORE, from what I could tell, than to take it to her mom and say, "Yours is a convertible, but mines not a 2002 model!" Alas, she also let me show her CORVETTE! She's been loving those since childhood and her mother actually traded a 'vette for her 2002 Anniversary Ediction(mispelled intentionally) Z/28. The woman won't let me buy that Z either. She says she loves it AND fears I'll modify it... Correct on both counts, I'm sure. So she has a fairly low mileage vert and I don't. "Mom" isn't that little old lady some may think of either. She's my age. She's also SMOKIN' HOT! The mileage is showing, however, through the lines on her face, some of which came from a mirror, if ya know what I mean.

 

Pics of "MOM" or ban!

 

Not likely! She may be up for it, but my gal... not so much.