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Old 10-26-2012 | 10:33 AM
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hm...alright...guess aftermarket ecms and tuning software will be the ****....
Don't hold your breath on that one. There may be new "laws" to make anything but OEM parts and/or software "illegal" on cars in the near future. Something like that would even prevent the use of cold-air intakes, etc.

In my opinion, technology like this spells the start of the death of hot-rodding, at least as far as "newer" cars and engines are concerned. I hope I am wrong !
Old 10-26-2012 | 11:45 AM
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yeah...it sounds like the death of hotrodding....its only american to want more....i dont see this new technology taking off that much then...i dont know many people that dont like to tinker with cars....hell most corvette owners that buy a new one will soon realize...man...i miss my 600hp 427 car....or my procharged convertible vette...if this is the case they are taking hot rodders out of it the technology will fall....in my opinion....they will never stop hot rodding....matter fact...i hope someone with money can take a new corvette...and put a duramax in it....600hp and rolls some smoke....
Old 10-26-2012 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ez2cdave
Don't hold your breath on that one. There may be new "laws" to make anything but OEM parts and/or software "illegal" on cars in the near future. Something like that would even prevent the use of cold-air intakes, etc.

In my opinion, technology like this spells the start of the death of hot-rodding, at least as far as "newer" cars and engines are concerned. I hope I am wrong !
damn...new laws to discourage hot rodding..what is this russia???
Old 10-26-2012 | 12:53 PM
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Just to put that rumor to bed, there's no displacement limit in the ALMS, we run restrictors based on displacement and weight
Corvette moved to the GT class.

Many of the changes in the Corvette C6.R race cars for 2012 are the result of changes in the GT class. The new Corvettes are 2 inches wider than the preceding version (80.6 inches overall width). Corresponding revisions in the bodywork and suspension components complement the increased track width allowed by the regulations, with muscular fender flares covering Michelin racing tires that have been optimized for the new chassis configuration. The rear wing is mounted 75mm higher, and the front fascia wears dive plane "whiskers" to enhance front downforce in the close-quarter battles that are the hallmark of the GT category. The heart of the beast is an updated 5.5-liter Chevrolet small-block V-8 that breathes through twin 29.2mm intake air restrictors (.4mm larger than in 2011) as specified by the GT regulations.

http://www.imsaracing.net/2012/alms/...ES%20FINAL.pdf

Page 200 has the displacement limit.
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damn...new laws to discourage hot rodding..what is this russia???
Hotrodding has been technically illegal since the 70's. Any modification to federally mandated emissions equipement is illegal.
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Originally Posted by SSCamaro99_3
Hotrodding has been technically illegal since the 70's. Any modification to federally mandated emissions equipement is illegal.
This.

There already ARE laws in place that prohibit messing with emissions related equipment, etc. It doesn't stop people because not everyone enforces them, but the laws are already there.
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right...and most states more strict than others...i dont live in a place where im constantly harrased...or have to pass sniffers...
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If you look at it, it is similar to an LS, the parts just don't interchange. The aftermarket is still going to develop parts for the LS for years to come. This is just what happens with technology....things don't have as long of lifespan because they become out dated. Did anyone really think the LS was going to be around for 30 years like the old small block?

IF the aftermarket world can't crack the PCM, they will just develop their own, or adapt over the Gen IV. I am sure they will figure it out though. GM is looking at it from a pure profit stand point. They have a great thing going with their E-Rod engines, and realized how much they missed out on with all of the swaps, so now they are going to capitalize and have their catalog be the "only" place to get a new working LT1....for awhile.

As far as changing the injectors, since when did taking off the intake become such a pain in the ***? I can have my intake off in less than 10 min. Those injectors will be really expensive anyway since they are direct inject. Since the pump runs at such a high pressure, I doubt you would need to swap out injectors unless you make more than a 100 hp change anyway.

It's the newest latest greatest, now someone needs to wreck a 2014 truck so we can get our hands on these.
Old 10-26-2012 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ez2cdave
Don't hold your breath on that one. There may be new "laws" to make anything but OEM parts and/or software "illegal" on cars in the near future. Something like that would even prevent the use of cold-air intakes, etc.

In my opinion, technology like this spells the start of the death of hot-rodding, at least as far as "newer" cars and engines are concerned. I hope I am wrong !
With the torque numbers this engine is generating, the heads must flow like crazy. So there is some money that can be re-directed from heads to computer work.
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Originally Posted by rpturbo
It's the newest latest greatest, now someone needs to wreck a 2014 truck so we can get our hands on these.
Rent or lease one, pay for the insurance, gets "stolen" and they find the empty chassis, minus the motor, transmission and computer . . . Presto !

LOL !
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Check out this story with exclusive info from the mouths of the engineers that designed the Gen V LT1, which will answer some of your questions (including the valve covers) and also highlights some pretty cool features.

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...1_small_block/
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Splayed valve heads...

Old 10-26-2012 | 07:35 PM
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Nice to see GM moved the water pump and looks like it would allow for an even easier cam swap. There might not be a need to remove the water pump.
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Nice to see GM moved the water pump and looks like it would allow for an even easier cam swap. There might not be a need to remove the water pump.
Of course, that assumes that the new GM computer ALLOWS another cam to be used. It will simply use VVT, direct injection, and encrypted codes to shut the car off if it goes out of "factory spec", to negate the new cams profile.

The computer will likely also shut off the vehicle, unless it has "total control" of it . . . Sounds like our "Government", doesn't it ?
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Originally Posted by ez2cdave
Of course, that assumes that the new GM computer ALLOWS another cam to be used. It will simply use VVT, direct injection, and encrypted codes to shut the car off if it goes out of "factory spec", to negate the new cams profile.

The computer will likely also shut off the vehicle, unless it has "total control" of it . . . Sounds like our "Government", doesn't it ?
lol wut?
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Originally Posted by ez2cdave
Of course, that assumes that the new GM computer ALLOWS another cam to be used. It will simply use VVT, direct injection, and encrypted codes to shut the car off if it goes out of "factory spec", to negate the new cams profile.

The computer will likely also shut off the vehicle, unless it has "total control" of it . . . Sounds like our "Government", doesn't it ?
This is the same speculation that surrounded the gen 4 engines. And look where that ended up. Someone will figure out how to crack the computers and it's all gravy from there.
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This is the same speculation that surrounded the gen 4 engines. And look where that ended up. Someone will figure out how to crack the computers and it's all gravy from there.
I sincerely hope that I am wrong !
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Here's what intrigues me. It wasn't long ago Katech built a direct injected V4 for Motus that was based off of the LS series engines. Seeing that initially made me wonder if it was a hint as to what GM may have in store with all the talk of direct injection floating about. Well, whether it's a coincidence or correlation, that's exactly what happened.

The Gen V small blocks are built very similarly to the Katech V4.

Here's an article HOTROD did on the KMV4: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...e/viewall.html

Here's the engine.



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Old 10-28-2012 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RaggedRides
Here's an article HOTROD did on the KMV4: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...e/viewall.html
QUOTE : From the article in the link . . .

The bellhousing of the block has been changed by one bolt-hole, which may make transmission adaptation a bit of an issue, although we assume old style boxes will still be able to attach to the engine properly.

The biggest challenge to the aftermarket? The E92 ECM, which may or may not be a difficult ECM to crack.

Only time will tell, but you can be sure we'll be the first to report on it.
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Originally Posted by MeentSS02
It'll be interesting to see how this aspect turns out - Dodge used rolling encryption on the Gen IV Vipers and some of the latest Hemis, and it has been giving the aftermarket fits. Mopar has the key to unlock it, but won't release it at this point, making it impossible to tune these vehicles unless you rip everything out and install an aftermarket engine management system (Motec @ $10k+, etc.). Lots of Mopar guys aren't happy about it, that's for sure.

I'm wondering if this is due to warranty/safety/emissions concerns, or they're just flat out tired of people reverse engineering their hard work.
I thought the problem with gen 4s could be solved and that it just took money on the end of the aftermarket. Ie, there's a way to crack the computer it's just expensive and since production numbers were so low no one bothered to do it. Obviously I don't know much about this but is that incorrect? If correct the aftermarket for these cars is big enough that I'd think someone would spend the coin.

Originally Posted by Z Fury
I saw a sales thread on Corvette Forum just yesterday that showed a dealership sale on 2012 base Vettes for $35K. I don't know how they can get much cheaper.
I had to do a double take when I saw that. It is even crazier when you consider that some guys with low mileage c5zs want high 20s for them.


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