'WHEELS'

iTrader: (1)

This car looks good in person.

assasinator

I WILL get the new heads and whatever cobra jet intake that fits when its available and put them on my 2011gt.

the heads have revised higher ports and less port angle. the current coyote heads only have a 45 degree turn into the chamber. the new ones are better. the new ones also allow boss lift cams.


stock coyote heads and cams are reasonable for me.

im spending 6000-7000 on a elk hunt this fall lol

I expect this full bolt on to equal or exceed the boss 470-480rwhp mark.

Irunelevens

I think they're probably trying to get good CAFE numbers, since (as previously mentioned) the turbo 4 will get way better gas mileage than a turbo 6. The Camaro will be getting a 4cyl as well.

HioSSilver

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I didn't think they were gonna get to 450hp like the rumors said. Good to see them squeeze a little more power out though. Now it has 5th gen weight. My buddies 1ss 5thgen weighed 3760 with 3/4 tank of gas. But you'll have that with more content. I didn't think the wishful thinking of some was gonna come true.

I like the car. Can't wait to see how the 6thgen counters. But I don't think the ford camp will be very happy when it does.

Irunelevens

What was that you said about wishful thinking...?

H8R

The weight is what made the 5th gen less competitive to the coyote ... If GM makes it within 100lbs of the mustang, the camaro will perform just as well. The LT1 Camaro should come in at about the same power but more useable power IMO.

Tainted

iTrader: (9)

Love it. I'll take 2 of them

94FBIRD

iTrader: (5)

Yep, both with a 1/2 tank of gas, my 98 Formula A4 was 3390. My 94 Formula A4 was 3470.

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

Not much wishing to it when the new lt makes 25 more hp and 60 more tq.
The lt1 has more power now. It could get a small upgrade in the next couple years also. It usually goes like that. I look for the 6gen camaro to be lighter. It won't be built on a full size sedan platform. Could be wish full thinking. ....... but the ats is lighter than a 5gen and a Camaro with less content should be lighter that a ats.
My Camaro ss weighed 3430 stock.

Irunelevens

It's going to the Alpha platform, but there are two variations of that platform...one of them is the new CTS.

SparkyJJO

iTrader: (11)

I'm seeing the 2014 CTS at 3800 pounds for the middle of the road one. Sure, if you get the 3.6L twin turbo Vsport premium you're pushing 4000 pounds, but the Camaro won't have all that extra stuff on it.

A 2014 Camaro 2SS is 3900 pounds.

So even if the 6th gen goes on the CTS chassis, it is highly doubtful that it will add weight to the car. So, yeah, Ford has pushed the Mustang nearly into 5th gen Camaro weight territory, and the rumors are still the Camaro losing a little weight.

I suspect that they both will end up in the same weight ballpark. Mustang gained some, Camaro likely will lose some, bang, 3700-ish pounds for both. Should keep it interesting

Johnnystock

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FYI my 1SS 1LE weights 3780lbs stock and now its 3680lbs with minor weight reduction. 3900 is a stretch.

427zm

iTrader: (9)

Lol!

Car looks great IMO. It's interesting how neither the Ecoboost or the 5.0 have forged pistons. The hyper pistons must be a big need (b/c they expand quicker) for compete sealing in the combustion chamber for emissions.

Irunelevens

The pistons were never really the issue with the modular motors, at least not at the power levels that Ford intends to run them at. The rods were always the weakest link, and those (as well as the crank) are forged in both those motors.

SparkyJJO

iTrader: (11)

I was pulling info off the offical GM spec page for a 2SS. Not sure what all extra the 2SS has over a 1SS as far as weight. Maybe just "worst case."

Irunelevens

If we're gonna compare weights, we gotta compare manufacturer published weights. For all we know, you might be able to get a 3,600lb "stripper" '15 GT. It was either Evan or ohioborn who has a friend with a ~3,400lb 5.0, and nobody really knows why it's that light.

assasinator

if they have half a brain they WILL bring back a real SVO. 500hp turbo 4 with 3100 lb weight. its all there if they will just do it.


BTW hypereutectic pistons are 30 percent stronger than cast, the average non 2618 forging is 50 percent stronger. if detonation is avoided a hyper piston can handle just about anything thrown at it. I use CP 2618 in the 76mm turbo.

It'llrun

Considering CAFE, the 2.3L is a better choice than the 3.5L and if they want, that power can easily be bumped. The next Camaro will have what is currently a slightly less powerful 4cyl, so Ford has done fine w/ this choice.

The V6 is likely the exact same engine as current, but rated lower to help promote the 4cyl. Since the car is heavier, that one will "suffer" a little as compared to current.

The GT power is "only" up 15, which is exactly what I predicted for various reasons. 435 is plenty of power! I'd be a little surprised if this new one got the power down well enough to outrun the 14 in a 1/4 mile, but it will be close either way... a draw is about as good as I'd expect. That said, this car will positively annihilate the 14 on road courses, I'm sure.

The 16 Camaro will be competition for the new Mustang and I still expect them to be almost a dead match. The Camaro may have 1 problem... the larger Alpha chassis. If Camaro weighs as much or less than Mustang... and gets the LT1 at Corvette level(or even close, frankly), it will easily be quicker if both put the power down w/ traction. A road course may be a bit trickier, depending on weight distribution and braking capabilities(both should be great).

The only real question I still have is, what power will the 2016 Mustang get? My bet today would be that Ford will bump it another 15, but it won't likely gain any torque. The only thing that really matters now or for 16 is the power band and how well the package comes together in gearing to help it stay where it needs to be... the LS and LT don't have any concern there, but the 5L definitely does.

MI-Z/28

Next bump in power for the 5.0 will probably come from DI. Has Ford announced when the 5.0 will be getting DI yet? I figured it would for the 2015 release.

It'llrun

There's been plenty of chatter before now, but none lately, that Ford may simply never go DI with the Mustang... weird. I'd expect 15hp more for 16, but if they do DI, I'd expect to see more like 30. They're never looking to set the record for the Mustang GT or lower models, so I just don't expect much. If they use DI, that's going to make many people happy, but it will be another added expense.