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Old 10-27-2015 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
1) Just because an engine has less torque than an LS7 (most engines do) doesn't make it a "turd."
2) lol @ "not welcome in my threads."
We are not comparing most engines here. We are looking at power out put between the ls7 and 5.2. The reality it the ls7 makes more power. They make the same hp and the ls7 has much more tq. Last time i checked tq is power.

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So your dedinition of useable torque, for purpose built track (road racing) cars is low rpm power? Insert **** on a bore comment here.

As I stated before, the meat at the upper end means far more for a track car, which the shelby has an advantge.

I would like to see chevy respond with a new z28, but the business case looks bad from history's sake. Maybe it would be cheaper woth a lt4 and conventional brakes, but I dont think they will go that route. I dont think a brake swap will lower the price enough.
Making more power clean to 6500rpm is does not a low rpm make. The only advantage the 5.2 has over the ls7 is using the rpm to gain a mechanical leverage.

Now there are other things that can be done to help a car accelerate. Fird has done most of that. The z28 could use some of that......like in the clutch area.
Old 10-27-2015 | 11:06 AM
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If by track we're assuming a road race track and not a drag strip, then I would say it depends. Depends on the RPM's you'll be using between the corners, and the RPM you'll be at exiting the corners. The broader, yet lower overall, torque curve of the Voodoo will reduce how often you need to upshift. I don't know how tight the tranny gear ratios are or the final drive ratios... I suppose that could partially make up for the additional torque of the LS7.

I know it's hard to say after already seeing which vehicles are which... but I truly think if the results could have been completely anonymized, I'd prefer the curve with higher average torque for the RPM range needed for the track in question. And I think that'll favor the LS7 more often than not. But there's a lot more to lap times than the engine; I'd like to see Randy Pobst do a head-to-head-to-head with both 350's and the '16 Z28.
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You probably won't see a 16 z28....maybe in 17 would be my guess.
Old 10-27-2015 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
We are not comparing most engines here. We are looking at power out put between the ls7 and 5.2. The reality it the ls7 makes more power. They make the same hp and the ls7 has much more tq. Last time i checked tq is power.
And neither of them is a "turd."
Old 10-27-2015 | 11:09 PM
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A 7 liter makes more torque than a 5.2? Who'd have thought.
Old 10-28-2015 | 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
We are not comparing most engines here. We are looking at power out put between the ls7 and 5.2. The reality it the ls7 makes more power. They make the same hp and the ls7 has much more tq. Last time i checked tq is power.

No go find another thread to play in.


Making more power clean to 6500rpm is does not a low rpm make. The only advantage the 5.2 has over the ls7 is using the rpm to gain a mechanical leverage.

Now there are other things that can be done to help a car accelerate. Fird has done most of that. The z28 could use some of that......like in the clutch area.
The rpm is relative. The gt350 has a lot more rpm to deal with. At a track, you are going to be in the upper portion of that rpm band. The 458 had a lot less torque down low than an ls7 also, but it is heared and designwd to live in the upper rpm band. Comparing peak power to peak power and the the ls7 is better because it has a stronger lower end is better is rediculous. I think we can assume that both manufacturers optimoze the hear ratios for the power band.

At the end of the day, looking at a dyno graph comparing these cars in general is pretty stupid. Take them around a few tracks amd see what happens. The "fird" is newer and will likely outperform the z28. I am sure ford made sure of that. Can gm fire back at a competitive price point? I would like to see.
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A dyno shootout on these two cars is pretty much pointless, unless you're the kind of person that can't drive for **** and need the bigger number to impress your friends. These are track cars, and all that matters is their lap times.

Given the setup of both cars, I think they will be a close race more often than not, which is impressive for the Camaro team who is using a horribly outdated engine and an overweight chassis.

Being a Chevy Camaro fan, I'd take the Z28 over the GT350R, but I wouldn't kick either car out of my garage. Definitely a great time to be a car guy (or gal).
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I think it will be close between the cars too. I think the z28 will out perform the gt350 and it will be tight with the gt350r and could go either way depending on the track being tested.


I'm kinda surprised we haven't seen any track tests since they had all 3 cars in one spot.
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http://gtspirit.com/2015/11/18/video...econd-14-mile/


the gt350 is very slow stock.
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lol, did that first pass read 210 mph?


a stock 11 second time is decent.
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Dang I thought it would be faster than that especially on drag radials. Boss 302 ran those times or better on drag radials. I'm sure somebody will get some better et out of it.
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did it have DRs? i didnt look that close.
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Dang I thought it would be faster than that especially on drag radials. Boss 302 ran those times or better on drag radials. I'm sure somebody will get some better et out of it.
that is a fact. IT WEIGHS 3700 LBS.



boss bone stock on drag radials run 11.7-11.9 with a decent driver.


yes it had mt's.
Old 11-24-2015 | 07:35 AM
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Figure around 450 rwhp in a 3700 lb car, and 117 in the quarter sounds about right
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210 mph! dat GT tree-fiddy is a rocket ship!
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Originally Posted by assasinator
Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
lol, did that first pass read 210 mph?


a stock 11 second time is decent.
Dr = not stock.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Dr = not stock.
i agree and with MTs its not even an argument.



in its defense doesnt it run similar to a z28 and neither is really optimally designed for 1/4 mile runs.
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As far as i can tell yes. Stock for stock the gt350 and z28 are close in the 1/4.

I'm still waiting to see a head to head on these 2 cars. For some reason i feel like that is being avoided.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
As far as i can tell yes. Stock for stock the gt350 and z28 are close in the 1/4.

I'm still waiting to see a head to head on these 2 cars. For some reason i feel like that is being avoided.
to be serious which i hate lol anything 6th gen compared to this newest mustang ford would be wise to avoid.

a little sarcasm in the above comment.
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i know a z28 isnt a 6th gen but you get the idea.


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