z28 vs gt350 dyno shootout
#41
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No go find another thread to play in.
So your dedinition of useable torque, for purpose built track (road racing) cars is low rpm power? Insert **** on a bore comment here.
As I stated before, the meat at the upper end means far more for a track car, which the shelby has an advantge.
I would like to see chevy respond with a new z28, but the business case looks bad from history's sake. Maybe it would be cheaper woth a lt4 and conventional brakes, but I dont think they will go that route. I dont think a brake swap will lower the price enough.
As I stated before, the meat at the upper end means far more for a track car, which the shelby has an advantge.
I would like to see chevy respond with a new z28, but the business case looks bad from history's sake. Maybe it would be cheaper woth a lt4 and conventional brakes, but I dont think they will go that route. I dont think a brake swap will lower the price enough.
Now there are other things that can be done to help a car accelerate. Fird has done most of that. The z28 could use some of that......like in the clutch area.
#42
If by track we're assuming a road race track and not a drag strip, then I would say it depends. Depends on the RPM's you'll be using between the corners, and the RPM you'll be at exiting the corners. The broader, yet lower overall, torque curve of the Voodoo will reduce how often you need to upshift. I don't know how tight the tranny gear ratios are or the final drive ratios... I suppose that could partially make up for the additional torque of the LS7.
I know it's hard to say after already seeing which vehicles are which... but I truly think if the results could have been completely anonymized, I'd prefer the curve with higher average torque for the RPM range needed for the track in question. And I think that'll favor the LS7 more often than not. But there's a lot more to lap times than the engine; I'd like to see Randy Pobst do a head-to-head-to-head with both 350's and the '16 Z28.
I know it's hard to say after already seeing which vehicles are which... but I truly think if the results could have been completely anonymized, I'd prefer the curve with higher average torque for the RPM range needed for the track in question. And I think that'll favor the LS7 more often than not. But there's a lot more to lap times than the engine; I'd like to see Randy Pobst do a head-to-head-to-head with both 350's and the '16 Z28.
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We are not comparing most engines here. We are looking at power out put between the ls7 and 5.2. The reality it the ls7 makes more power. They make the same hp and the ls7 has much more tq. Last time i checked tq is power.
No go find another thread to play in.
Making more power clean to 6500rpm is does not a low rpm make. The only advantage the 5.2 has over the ls7 is using the rpm to gain a mechanical leverage.
Now there are other things that can be done to help a car accelerate. Fird has done most of that. The z28 could use some of that......like in the clutch area.
No go find another thread to play in.
Making more power clean to 6500rpm is does not a low rpm make. The only advantage the 5.2 has over the ls7 is using the rpm to gain a mechanical leverage.
Now there are other things that can be done to help a car accelerate. Fird has done most of that. The z28 could use some of that......like in the clutch area.
At the end of the day, looking at a dyno graph comparing these cars in general is pretty stupid. Take them around a few tracks amd see what happens. The "fird" is newer and will likely outperform the z28. I am sure ford made sure of that. Can gm fire back at a competitive price point? I would like to see.
#47
A dyno shootout on these two cars is pretty much pointless, unless you're the kind of person that can't drive for **** and need the bigger number to impress your friends. These are track cars, and all that matters is their lap times.
Given the setup of both cars, I think they will be a close race more often than not, which is impressive for the Camaro team who is using a horribly outdated engine and an overweight chassis.
Being a Chevy Camaro fan, I'd take the Z28 over the GT350R, but I wouldn't kick either car out of my garage. Definitely a great time to be a car guy (or gal).
Given the setup of both cars, I think they will be a close race more often than not, which is impressive for the Camaro team who is using a horribly outdated engine and an overweight chassis.
Being a Chevy Camaro fan, I'd take the Z28 over the GT350R, but I wouldn't kick either car out of my garage. Definitely a great time to be a car guy (or gal).
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I think it will be close between the cars too. I think the z28 will out perform the gt350 and it will be tight with the gt350r and could go either way depending on the track being tested.
I'm kinda surprised we haven't seen any track tests since they had all 3 cars in one spot.
I'm kinda surprised we haven't seen any track tests since they had all 3 cars in one spot.
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#53
boss bone stock on drag radials run 11.7-11.9 with a decent driver.
yes it had mt's.
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As far as i can tell yes. Stock for stock the gt350 and z28 are close in the 1/4.
I'm still waiting to see a head to head on these 2 cars. For some reason i feel like that is being avoided.
I'm still waiting to see a head to head on these 2 cars. For some reason i feel like that is being avoided.
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a little sarcasm in the above comment.