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Old 10-28-2004, 01:15 PM
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I stand corrected. I thought you could get the 350's in them, but I was wrong. Seems the 307 was first offered in the Toronado in 79.
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This is a poor replacement for the LS1 though. This is going to be the base Camaro V8 engine. I am guessing that these engines will be spruced up a bit for a camaro though, I HOPE!
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Originally Posted by WECIV
This is a poor replacement for the LS1 though. This is going to be the base Camaro V8 engine. I am guessing that these engines will be spruced up a bit for a camaro though, I HOPE!
I'm guesing a stroked out 350 or even more likely a bored out one. Probably won't be any more powerfull than the LS1 though. Doesn't need to be to be faster than the 05 GT tehehe

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The LS4 is going to be the SS engine, but the big boy will be the Z28 with an LS2!!!
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Originally Posted by WECIV
The LS4 is going to be the SS engine, but the big boy will be the Z28 with an LS2!!!
Time to get ready for another flame war

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Old 10-30-2004, 01:16 AM
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Why a flame war??? I am just reporting what I have read on different sites. The Z will be the top dog. It was back in the day and it will be in the future. Shoot the 4th gen Z was a lighter vehicle than the SS, and seeing as they are better cars, in 1LE trim the Z was a better vehicle (performance wise).
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Originally Posted by WECIV
Why a flame war??? I am just reporting what I have read on different sites. The Z will be the top dog. It was back in the day and it will be in the future. Shoot the 4th gen Z was a lighter vehicle than the SS, and seeing as they are better cars, in 1LE trim the Z was a better vehicle (performance wise).
That really makes no sense. Even in the 60's, The Z was the small displacement car (302 Cu.i.), the SS was big engine car. The Z28 was a Trans Am Homologation car so it had to run the small displacement 5.0 Liter motor to compete. (Oddly enough the Pontiac Trans Am was disqualified from running in the race it was named after due to the fact it came with a 400 cu.i motor).
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Mmm... Ill have to get an LS4 for the jetta...

Oh, and didn't some of the first gen SS's have 6-bangers?
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Actually the 1st gen Z28 was faster than all of the other Maros. It was a factory race car. Read some of the mag articles of the day or talk to people that were there and they treated the Z like some sort of supercar, in fact that is what Hot Rod Magazine called it. It was the car back then and was underrated by about a hundred hp.
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Originally Posted by WECIV
Actually the 1st gen Z28 was faster than all of the other Maros. It was a factory race car. Read some of the mag articles of the day or talk to people that were there and they treated the Z like some sort of supercar, in fact that is what Hot Rod Magazine called it. It was the car back then and was underrated by about a hundred hp.
Except the ZL1 427 /

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Originally Posted by WECIV
The LS4 is going to be the SS engine, but the big boy will be the Z28 with an LS2!!!
Yah, you're probably most definitely wrong on that one. I say this for the simple reason that as of lately, GM has been raping the SS moniker and applying it to EVERY TOTL performance model in its portfolio.

at the thought of a Malibu Maxx SS

Anyway, logic would dictate that it wouldn't make very much sense to have the SS be the top dog variant of each model except for one now would it? Then again we're talking about GM here, the same company that almost canned the C5 Corvette project in the mid 90's, did not know how to market the F-Bodies worth a damn, and badge engineers the sheezy out of everything so what do I know.
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Just read a very interesting book called the 22 Immutabel Laws of Branding.


Info here:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846


Anyhow one of the key principles of the book is that the more "Line Extensions" you have of a brand, the less power that brand has. Slapping "SS" on everything decreases the value of the name "SS". Anyhow neat book, great read, they go a long way to slam Chevy though and their marketing, and IMOHO they had a lot of valid points about the Chevy brand.

Pretty much they claim it's a weak brand because it doesn't describe anything. Which is true since a "Chevy" is an cheap expensive small large car or truck.. Conversly a "Ferrari" has a very clear image in your mind.

Neat book.
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Sorry, I meant to say the original Z28 was the fastest of the 1st gens. Sorry, about the confusion.



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