Sears

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>Justin is one of those closet-4.6L lovers

Justin ---> <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[gay]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" /> <--- 4.6L

hahaha!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nothing closet about it. <img border="0" alt="[barf]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" /> My next new vehicle will most likely be an '03 cobra or next years Cobra. With the money I have spent on my car I could have a 10sec '03 Cobra and it would still sound/drive relatively stock. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> For one thing is damned sure, it will not be white with white wheels. <img border="0" alt="[gay]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Justin

<small>[ October 29, 2002, 05:04 PM: Message edited by: Jsears8 ]</small>

Bob Cosby

LOL 2003 F-body production halting!

Oh. Sorry. Wrong thread.

FYI...the BON article also states, and I quote:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The 2000 model year was canceled, but the 2001 and 2002 Cobra models have been generally trouble free.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Anybody ever see a 2002 Cobra? Got credibility?

I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I could justify laying out that kind of cash for ANY car (GM, Ford, whatever). But I'm retiring in a few years, and my kids are going to college in a few years, and well...you prolly get the picture. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

titanium barchetta

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dave:
<strong>never try anything new, hmm? Put down the crack pipe!
Ever heard of the Northstar, Aurora, Quad 4 or Vortec 4200? <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">WOW! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Those are some really badass cars you just slammed me with. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

Congrats.....you know what I meant. <img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" />

W8N2SQZ

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I think the LT5 was something new, no doubt about it, the LT5 still had similarities, but I doubt they worried much about the little engines that could(302) back in 87 when the ZR1 came out <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Oh well to each there own and I don't post here much, but it is funny to watch you guy's.

Thanks
Glenn

Quickin

Corral.net had a few guys talking about: loss of power problems, SC construction problems (whatever that is) and chassis problems.

And no, I don't have link, I don't remember every word said and I try to stay away from the Ford boards as much as possible. It was a guy who just bought his 03' Cobra and after a week the front end was totally screwed up, he took it to the dealer and they COULD NOT fix it. He also posted that he knew about these other problems that the 03' Cobra's are having. He gave it back and got all his cash back.

Kenny H

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>General Motors Gen III LS1/LS6 V8 engines.

1997-2003 production, no quality related production halts.

We rule <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

-Tony</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, but instead GM refuses to admit '01-'02 Z06s have a problem unless they burn more then one quart of oil every 750 or 1000 miles. I know a guy out west who has an '01 Z06, its been using/burning/leaking oil since day one. GM will not do anything about it because its one quart per 1200 miles. Thats rediculous IMO.

Kenny H

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>General Motors Gen III LS1/LS6 V8 engines.

1997-2003 production, no quality related production halts.

We rule <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

-Tony</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Mainly because GM has been using that similar pushrod design forever, and has never had the sac to try something new... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Have there EVER been any recalls, or problems with the lowly little camaro bustin, vette violating, trans am crammin, firebird cookin 302? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Go ahead and flame me, it will be fun... <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Never had the sac? Check your history. Who had the first real hard running DOHC in a normal car? Check up on the quad 4s....

Ford went with the crowd and went with soft torque DOHC V8s. GM stuck it out and made a new small block that is physically smaller, lighter, more fuel efficient, and more powerful then the hi-tech Ford 4.6 OWNED!

Dave

And who can forget Furd's SVO mustang - "half the cylinders at twice the price" - after all, why waste 5-lug wheels on a V8? Instead, you get a lopsided air intake and a tweeked Pinto engine that is EXPECTED to burn a quart of oil every 500 miles.

Yes, the lowly Quad 4 that made only 1,200 HP on methanol and set a closed course speed record. The Northstar - another low budget 300 HP (now 330 HP for the roadster) normally aspirated.
How can we keep up? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

rick

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
Mainly because GM has been using that similar pushrod design forever, and has never had the sac to try something new... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">they don't have to, they've been kicking Ford's *** in the HP dept. even with, according to you, 'outdated designed engines' for the past decade. Deal with it! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ October 29, 2002, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: rick ]</small>

Bad1le

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>General Motors Gen III LS1/LS6 V8 engines.

1997-2003 production, no quality related production halts.

We rule <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

-Tony</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Mainly because GM has been using that similar pushrod design forever, and has never had the sac to try something new... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Have there EVER been any recalls, or problems with the lowly little camaro bustin, vette violating, trans am crammin, firebird cookin 302? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Go ahead and flame me, it will be fun... <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why try something new when the pushrod design keeps kickin the **** out of the hi tech ford crap <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
AJ

LS1derfull

^AMEN^ <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

cantdrv65

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dave:
<strong>never try anything new, hmm? Put down the crack pipe!
Ever heard of the Northstar, Aurora, Quad 4 or Vortec 4200? <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">WOW! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Those are some really badass cars you just slammed me with. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

Congrats.....you know what I meant. <img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why go to an overhead cam engine, when you can make a pushrod engine that makes more power? Simplicity and reliability....What engine design has made the MOST power EVER out of ANY combustion engine. Pushrod design, I rest my case.

Bob Cosby

Here's a link to a reputable source concerning the 03 Cobra...

http://www.detnews.com/2002/autosins...d01-626166.htm

Sounds like the internal QC checks have done what they are designed to do - detect potential problems before the car hits the streets. Of course, it is impossible to know if previous cars had whatever problem before it was caught or not. Time will tell.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What engine design has made the MOST power EVER out of ANY combustion engine. Pushrod design, I rest my case. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok. So the logic is that because a pushrod engine has made more power than any OHC engine (assuming you're talking about fuel cars, or even Pro Stock type engines), then pushrod engines are better/more powerful/whatever. Correct?

Ok. Lets have a bit of fun here. Using that same assumed logic, and applying it to modern-day internet bench-racing that is often seen on sites such as this, I will state that the 4.6 DOHC is a better/more powerful/whatever than an LS1 (any CID LS1). Why? Because - using your logic - the 4.6 DOHC has made more power than any LS1. I can back that up with numbers, if you like (Granatelli, Mihovitz, Stewart, King, etc). I rest my case.

Kind of silly, huh?

CHRISPY

SVT has had a shitload of problems and bad press. That is a fact.

Also who here can honestly say the DOHC 4.6L motor is not underpowered and complicated in design/packaging compared to the LS1 motor. The NA version of the Cobra's motor is typically down 25-45RWHP and similar torque over a BASE LS1 car you could buy in a Formula/Z-28/Trans-Am and the current C5. I wont even bother talking about the substandard output of a Mustang GT <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Now in the same breath, the 03 Cobra has a TON of potential and has quality parts in it no doubt. I just think SVT is kicking themselves in the nuts time and time again and are losing credibility in the automotive world.
Cheers,
Chris

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
<strong>Mainly because GM has been using that similar pushrod design forever, and has never had the sac to try something new... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Have there EVER been any recalls, or problems with the lowly little camaro bustin, vette violating, trans am crammin, firebird cookin 302? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Go ahead and flame me, it will be fun... <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't mind him, he's the "typical" Ford owner. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

I would have to say that GM may not have stopped production due to quality issues, but I really wish they would have in some cases. I don't know which is worse, stopping production and having anti-Ford threads like this one started, or NOT stopping production when you should have. If they fix whatever issue they've found, the '03 Cobra still rocks the house.

titanium barchetta

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by rick:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
Mainly because GM has been using that similar pushrod design forever, and has never had the sac to try something new... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">they don't have to, they've been kicking Ford's *** in the HP dept. even with, according to you, 'outdated designed engines' for the past decade. Deal with it! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Past decade......are you ****** retarded? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Who gives a rats *** what the HP numbers are from the factory, Mustangs kicked everyone's *** up and down the "street" from 1987 up until, and including when the LS-1 was released! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

It was only when GM started selling mods for the LS-1 did you guys fly past the little 302.

Don't try and confuse what I said, I COMPLETELY respect any car with a LS-1 uncer the hood, I just prefer to drive my coupe..........

RAGEman said it perfectly. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

P.S. yes I am the typical Ferd owner, I live to race all GM products! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> WIN OR LOSE!

<small>[ October 30, 2002, 09:00 AM: Message edited by: titanium barchetta ]</small>

Bob Cosby

Mr Pippy....how are ya buddy? You ever gonna get back down to these parts? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

SVT has certainly had its share of problems, and even more so its share of bad press. It will be a long, long time before they get over the 99 Cobra deal.

It is an indisputable fact that a stock LS1 makes more power than a stock 4.6 DOHC. It is also indisputable that the LS1 is less complicated. I don't think anybody here is arguing that, nor do I think that was the point of this thread??? I have often said that my car would be damn near perfect if it came with an LS1 and the live axle that I put in it (leave everything else the way it is, please). But alas, it wasn't the case, and the F-body I did own just didn't do it for me.

As for the GT...it fills a gap, and has helped the Mustang continue on while other models from other makes (sadly) went away. Of course, in modded form (forced induction), it can be made to be pretty quick (we'll soon have our first 9 second 2V).

On SVT themselves...problems with (mostly) the 99 Cobra has certainly hurt their image. It is my opinion (and nothing but) that they are doing what they have to do in order repair that image (likely one reason for this temporary halt in production).

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
<strong>Past decade......are you ****** retarded? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Who gives a rats *** what the HP numbers are from the factory, Mustangs kicked everyone's *** up and down the "street" from 1987 up until, and including when the LS-1 was released! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

It was only when GM started selling mods for the LS-1 did you guys fly past the little 302.

Don't try and confuse what I said, I COMPLETELY respect any car with a LS-1 uncer the hood, I just prefer to drive my coupe..........

RAGEman said it perfectly. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

P.S. yes I am the typical Ferd owner, I live to race all GM products! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> WIN OR LOSE!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think the 5.0 owned the 5.7L LT1 as much as you're thinking. By the time the LT1 aftermarket was developed near as much as the 5.0 one was when the LT1 came out, the LS1 was already being designed. Stock for stock, or mod for mod (which I assume is the medium we're working with here), the LT1 will take the 5.0. I'll stand by that one. And if you think the stock for stock and/or mod for mod argument is gay, then you Mustang folks hold off for 5 years, while we keep developing our aftermarket and catch our 10 years up to your 15 years.

CHRISPY

Hey Bob <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

I am doing pretty good thanks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

I am glad to see you arent taking my posts as a serious flame or anything <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

I am just disapointed in SVT thats all. I am a huge forced induction fan (had two blown F-bods) and was really excited about the potential of the 03 Cobra.

I just wish SVT would get its act together.

I cant remember any other time a model of a car has stopped production COMPLETELY because of problems. In this day and age of quality control and standards I think it is pretty horrendous.

If SVT had these QC issues fixed and put that powerplant into a 3300-3400 pound car with solid axle, six speed, and low options I would definitely look into buying one <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

As for me making a trip down to the VA/MD/DC area I am trying to coordinate a trip down there in the spring with the car. I need to find a car trailer (either borrow, buy, rent) to haul the car down. Probably head to Cecil or MIR for a TNT or track rental. I will definitely let you know when I am heading down.
Take care,
Chris

Bad1le

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by rick:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
Mainly because GM has been using that similar pushrod design forever, and has never had the sac to try something new... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">they don't have to, they've been kicking Ford's *** in the HP dept. even with, according to you, 'outdated designed engines' for the past decade. Deal with it! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Past decade......are you ****** retarded? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Who gives a rats *** what the HP numbers are from the factory, Mustangs kicked everyone's *** up and down the "street" from 1987 up until, and including when the LS-1 was released! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

It was only when GM started selling mods for the LS-1 did you guys fly past the little 302.

Don't try and confuse what I said, I COMPLETELY respect any car with a LS-1 uncer the hood, I just prefer to drive my coupe..........

RAGEman said it perfectly. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

P.S. yes I am the typical Ferd owner, I live to race all GM products! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> WIN OR LOSE!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL...C'mon Chris....ever since 93 when the lt1 came out in the F bod the 5.slow has been getting waxed! So that would indeed be 10 Years!
AJ