Jake99SS

I really wish GM would've stopped production or at least issued a recall when people started having oil pump issues. I'm sure people with ridiculous oil consumption or cold knock feel the same way. I was unlucky enough to have not one but two factory oil pumps fail. What kind of QC is that?

ArcticFormula

I find this amusing and sort of sad as well. If these type of issues keep Ford and other car makers from producing a relatively affordable forced induction sports car, then we all lose, as we lose choice. On the other hand, I always thought Ford's quality control was rather suspect. Do they have union issues or something? Maybe some Ford employees would like to chime in on the moral at Ford these days.

Dave

yet another example of ford doing things halfway - they have a 5.4L supercharged motor that they could easily have put in the mustang, but no; that would be too easy. :shrug: <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" />

Bob Cosby

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">they have a 5.4L supercharged motor that they could easily have put in the mustang, but no; that would be too easy</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It doesn't fit.

RAGEman

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Bob, seems like we just covered that in another thread not too long ago, doesn't it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> I apologize for the actions of my F-Body brethren. I want myself to be known as someone who is fair and open-minded and NOT brand loyal to the point that I feel I have to point out and make fun of every shortcoming of the other major car-making company. I don't think there's anything wrong with being brand loyal in and of itself, but not to the point where it makes others want to vomit. Anyway, I'm rambling. Take care, buddy, and look at that M6 bolt-on thread in Drag Racing where I talked some smack about you. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Tim 98z

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Kenny H:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>General Motors Gen III LS1/LS6 V8 engines.

1997-2003 production, no quality related production halts.

We rule <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

-Tony</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, but instead GM refuses to admit '01-'02 Z06s have a problem unless they burn more then one quart of oil every 750 or 1000 miles. I know a guy out west who has an '01 Z06, its been using/burning/leaking oil since day one. GM will not do anything about it because its one quart per 1200 miles. Thats rediculous IMO.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So FORD is any better? Ever heard of the oil issues with the 4.6? My buddy just had bottom end rebuild from "lack of oil" the dealership said. His car burns 1 quart for every 1500 miles. Ford said it's normal even after the rebuild. Sounds like the same line as GM. So we are both in the same boat here.

horist

HA HA!

MilDot

I think its a shame and I hope they bounce back. I dont give a **** about brand loyalty, its a V-8 RWD. there are not that many left in production. Lets see, Ford has the 'Stang and Crown Vic, GM has only the 'Vette now and I dont know about Mopar. I support anyone who makes the decision to drive one and not add to the FWD plague that ended production of the F-Body. Even if they talk as much <img border="0" alt="[gay]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_rainbow.gif" /> **** as tit-bar <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

CySevans

Here is a follow-up article. Problem was supposedly with the engine:

http://www.auto.com/industry/ford30_20021030.htm

In another article on Blue Oval News, Alan Hall, an SVT spokesman, was quoted as saying, "It was something that was caught at the plant and it's something that hopefully has been resolved. It was part of our regular process to ensure quality."

Note the key word there, "hopefully". No guarantees for those still waiting to get their Cobras.

<small>[ October 30, 2002, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: CySevans ]</small>

rick

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by titanium barchetta:
[QB] Past decade......are you ****** retarded? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">no, I live in a thing called REALITY. You ought to try it sometime.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Mustangs kicked everyone's *** up and down the "street" from 1987 up
until, and including when the LS-1 was released! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">bullcrap. When I had my LT1 in '93, I was beating the stangs on the street.
I hate to burst your la-la-land bubble, but most people don't mod their cars
to be 10 sec. 1/4 mile cars. So don't use exceptions to make your argument, you'll lose.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It was only when GM started selling mods for the LS-1 did you guys
fly past the little 302.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">once again, bullscrap. LS1 just made it even easier to beat the stang.

Dave

de: Bob - SVO brought their Super Stallion with the "doesn't fit" 5.4L motor to Englishtown:

http://www.teamjdm.com/id150.htm

Also: The 429 Shotgun motor didn't fit the Mustang either, but somehow they MADE it fit! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
Now, THAT was a job!

PS - the car wasn't designed for an independent rear suspension, but they got that in - where there's a will...

Z2802

I am by no means a big fan of ford, but I must give them kudos for being proactive by stopping production rather than allowing defective or substandard products out the door. With a new design, bugs pop up after the fact that just couldn't be foreseen. IMHO, Ford is doing the right thing, hopefully the problem(s) will be resolved soon and the Cobra will continue to be produced for 2003. I wish GM had caught my cold slapping LS1 at the factory <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

Bob Cosby

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">de: Bob - SVO brought their Super Stallion with the "doesn't fit" 5.4L motor to Englishtown:</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL. I can do you one better. I have a buddy down in Florida (Al Papito - goes by 'Boss330' on the Corral) that has a DOHC 5.4L in his 97 Cobra. Kind of goes against what I originally posted, huh? Problem is, the engine is so tight in the engine bay that you can't even remove the valve covers without pulling the motor (shock towers in the way). You think Ford would let a production model go out the door like that? No, not even Ford. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Additionally, the tight squeeze does not lend itself to a production line - they don't have the time to shoehorn every engine in there.

Also the blower on the 2V 5.4L engine in the Lightning would stick out over 5 inches above the current hoodline. While some of us gear heads might like that, I think Ford would likely be setting themselves up for a few lawsuits.

As I said previously....it doesn't fit. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Dave

oh well; if they ever decide to build a fast mustang, they can always buy LS6 engines from GM, now that the two companies have a business deal going anyway! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

Bob Cosby

LOL. I tell ya...my Cobra would be damn near perfect if it had an LS1 - or better yet, an LS6 - between the shock towers. Leave everything else just like it is, please. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Speedy

I think the halt in production is a good indicator of just how serious Ford is about NOT having a repeat of the 99 Cobra problem. I congratulate them on being smart enough not to release defective cars onto the street. Ford has had too many problems like that, they recognize it and they are doing something about it. Good.

As for the knock problem on the LS1s if a cold knock lasts for more than 1.5 minutes then the dealer is supposed to change the rings. That is what I heard. The newer LS1s allegedly don't have the knock problem because they were given coated pistons. I know I don't have any knock. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

Fulton 1

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Just a few thoughts, FWIW (not much):

1) SVT IS addressing their shortcomings. This is good. Similarly, many people bitch and moan when there are recalls, but to me it shows accountability.

2) SVT IS allowing engineering problems to reach production. Yes, they are being caught eventually, but what was it again that Deming said about defects reaching the customer...?

3) It would all be less interesting to me if Mr. Colletti wasn't so damn arrogant. Granted I don't know the guy, but every time I see him quoted he has some arrogant comment that he probably could keep to himself. It makes it tough for me to sympathize.

That's all <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

cantdrv65

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bob Cosby:
<strong>Here's a link to a reputable source concerning the 03 Cobra...

http://www.detnews.com/2002/autosins...d01-626166.htm

Sounds like the internal QC checks have done what they are designed to do - detect potential problems before the car hits the streets. Of course, it is impossible to know if previous cars had whatever problem before it was caught or not. Time will tell.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What engine design has made the MOST power EVER out of ANY combustion engine. Pushrod design, I rest my case. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok. So the logic is that because a pushrod engine has made more power than any OHC engine (assuming you're talking about fuel cars, or even Pro Stock type engines), then pushrod engines are better/more powerful/whatever. Correct?

Ok. Lets have a bit of fun here. Using that same assumed logic, and applying it to modern-day internet bench-racing that is often seen on sites such as this, I will state that the 4.6 DOHC is a better/more powerful/whatever than an LS1 (any CID LS1). Why? Because - using your logic - the 4.6 DOHC has made more power than any LS1. I can back that up with numbers, if you like (Granatelli, Mihovitz, Stewart, King, etc). I rest my case.

Kind of silly, huh?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who's talking about Ls1's Bob? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I love the Ls1 but I'm not going to make a case for it EVER making the power of a Big Block Hemi, Chevy, or Ford for that matter. All PUSHROD design of course...Maybe you missed my point? What engine design has made the MOST power EVER out of ANY combustion engine. Pushrod design, I rest my case.

cantdrv65

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bob Cosby:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">de: Bob - SVO brought their Super Stallion with the "doesn't fit" 5.4L motor to Englishtown:</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL. I can do you one better. I have a buddy down in Florida (Al Papito - goes by 'Boss330' on the Corral) that has a DOHC 5.4L in his 97 Cobra. Kind of goes against what I originally posted, huh? Problem is, the engine is so tight in the engine bay that you can't even remove the valve covers without pulling the motor (shock towers in the way). You think Ford would let a production model go out the door like that? No, not even Ford. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Additionally, the tight squeeze does not lend itself to a production line - they don't have the time to shoehorn every engine in there.

Also the blower on the 2V 5.4L engine in the Lightning would stick out over 5 inches above the current hoodline. While some of us gear heads might like that, I think Ford would likely be setting themselves up for a few lawsuits.

As I said previously....it doesn't fit. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Uh, Bob, I know it was a long time ago but have you ever changed the plugs on a 429CJ Mustang? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
P.S. I'm not saying Chevy didn't put out some real nightmares themselves, just can't think of one. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Bob Cosby

cantdrv65....I was attempting to make use of a simile. Looks like I failed. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

I am quite aware of the most powerful motors. Perhaps you missed MY point? BTW...NHRA does not allow 4V heads. Might someone make better power if they did? I think your case might still be open for debate. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Nope, never changed plugs on a 429CJ. I did change them on our old 85 TPI Z28, a bud's LT1, and my own LS1. Of the bunch, the LS1 was the easiest, the LT1 the hardest, and the TPI just a pain in the ***. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />