LS7 in camaro? = LUTZ
01-25-2006, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by firecrotch59
Wasnt the lt5 built by Mercury Marine?? Or did they change their name to Mercruiser?
The LT5 was developed jointly by England’s Lotus Engineering and GM Powertrain Division and manufactured by MerCruiser in Stillwater, Oklahoma.
01-25-2006, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JCurtin
well it would be nice to just select the engine without tacking on 10-12000 more dollars. If you want a stripper v8 and nothing else should be able to do it. Unlike dodge with the magnums or charger. Click hemi and you automatically click 10grand.
02-01-2006, 05:59 PM
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"And for those of you who might say, “Well, the Challenger has 35 hp more,” I would just reply that we have a certified 1OO more on tap from the ZO6 engine, should the need arise." Bob Lutz http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/
02-01-2006, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ClaySS01
Sticky: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have". (
For production we would obviously do like we did in the old days -- you would have a popular-priced six-cylinder version, then you step up to an eight, then you step up to the next eight, all the way up to 500 hp or whatever size V-8s we have. Any V-8 engine that General Motors manufactures today is potentially slated for this car. You always would like to keep the Corvette with a few horsepower more than a Camaro. Theoretically, anything is possible.
For production we would obviously do like we did in the old days -- you would have a popular-priced six-cylinder version, then you step up to an eight, then you step up to the next eight, all the way up to 500 hp or whatever size V-8s we have. Any V-8 engine that General Motors manufactures today is potentially slated for this car. You always would like to keep the Corvette with a few horsepower more than a Camaro. Theoretically, anything is possible.
Sounds killer.
But why does the corvette have to have more HP? That IMO is not necessary. And when the Camaro had the same LS1 as the vette and dynoed the same, it was gay how GM under rated the Camaro and over rated the vette.
IMO - GM feels, in general, that vette owners are shallow and ignorant and that the vette owners need to be able to stat their car higher or something.
02-03-2006, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lutz
Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp .... Theoretically, anything is possible.
02-03-2006, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ClaySS01
"And for those of you who might say, “Well, the Challenger has 35 hp more,” I would just reply that we have a certified 1OO more on tap from the ZO6 engine, should the need arise." Bob Lutz http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/
02-03-2006, 02:32 PM
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I thought I read or heard somewhere, someone said the days of the corvette having to have the highest hp was over. They went on to give examples of currently that the GTO had the same ls2 in it as the C6 'vette (pre LS7 Z06 of course) as well as the CTS-V. So who knows, they may make the LS7 an option if you want to pay for it. They could always just demod it by going to a normal sump oil pan, smaller cam, restrictive airbox etc.
Who knows for sure.... but at least there is hope.
Who knows for sure.... but at least there is hope.
02-03-2006, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Trendkiller Z
How do you know that?
02-03-2006, 04:52 PM
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How do you know that?
"There are rumors that the new 392 Hemi crate engine, designed for racing, will go along with the new Dodge Challenger body. The 392 is apparently a racing-only engine in current form, not a production design, but a lower-power version may well be made for production and appear in the Challenger. The Challenger concept car to be shown at NAIAS (Detroit, January 2006; the Camaro will also be shown) uses, not surprisingly, the SRT-8 6.1 liter engine — but, unlike any current production LX car, it also has a six-speed manual gearbox. (Automobile suggested that the 510 horsepower 6.4 liter 392 Hemi might be used.) There are issues with the 392 - most notably the question of what untrained drivers will do with that much power. A fairly large number of Vipers left this world unexpectedly."
In addition to what LSONE said, assuming we stay with V8s, Dodge has the 392 available and they previously experimented with using a low boost Whipple supercharger on it's 5.7L Hemi before deciding on using the 6.1L in it's SRT-8 lineup. What if they put that Whipple on the 6.1L? It was rated for 425-450 in the 5.7L.
Remember, they have had a production 500+hp/500+tq engine for years longer than Chevy has the LS7. 14+ years now at 450+hp/450+tq vs 1 year for Chevy. The first production Viper rolled off the assembly line in Dec. 1991!
02-03-2006, 05:40 PM
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Sounds killer.
But why does the corvette have to have more HP? That IMO is not necessary. And when the Camaro had the same LS1 as the vette and dynoed the same, it was gay how GM under rated the Camaro and over rated the vette.
IMO - GM feels, in general, that vette owners are shallow and ignorant and that the vette owners need to be able to stat their car higher or something.
But why does the corvette have to have more HP? That IMO is not necessary. And when the Camaro had the same LS1 as the vette and dynoed the same, it was gay how GM under rated the Camaro and over rated the vette.
IMO - GM feels, in general, that vette owners are shallow and ignorant and that the vette owners need to be able to stat their car higher or something.
They dont want people thinking "Hell, for less money Ill buy the Camaro and go just as fast!"
02-03-2006, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyBry
Here is a link and a quote from this website: http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html
"There are rumors that the new 392 Hemi crate engine, designed for racing, will go along with the new Dodge Challenger body. The 392 is apparently a racing-only engine in current form, not a production design, but a lower-power version may well be made for production and appear in the Challenger. The Challenger concept car to be shown at NAIAS (Detroit, January 2006; the Camaro will also be shown) uses, not surprisingly, the SRT-8 6.1 liter engine — but, unlike any current production LX car, it also has a six-speed manual gearbox. (Automobile suggested that the 510 horsepower 6.4 liter 392 Hemi might be used.) There are issues with the 392 - most notably the question of what untrained drivers will do with that much power. A fairly large number of Vipers left this world unexpectedly."
In addition to what LSONE said, assuming we stay with V8s, Dodge has the 392 available and they previously experimented with using a low boost Whipple supercharger on it's 5.7L Hemi before deciding on using the 6.1L in it's SRT-8 lineup. What if they put that Whipple on the 6.1L? It was rated for 425-450 in the 5.7L.
Remember, they have had a production 500+hp/500+tq engine for years longer than Chevy has the LS7. 14+ years now at 450+hp/450+tq vs 1 year for Chevy. The first production Viper rolled off the assembly line in Dec. 1991!
"There are rumors that the new 392 Hemi crate engine, designed for racing, will go along with the new Dodge Challenger body. The 392 is apparently a racing-only engine in current form, not a production design, but a lower-power version may well be made for production and appear in the Challenger. The Challenger concept car to be shown at NAIAS (Detroit, January 2006; the Camaro will also be shown) uses, not surprisingly, the SRT-8 6.1 liter engine — but, unlike any current production LX car, it also has a six-speed manual gearbox. (Automobile suggested that the 510 horsepower 6.4 liter 392 Hemi might be used.) There are issues with the 392 - most notably the question of what untrained drivers will do with that much power. A fairly large number of Vipers left this world unexpectedly."
In addition to what LSONE said, assuming we stay with V8s, Dodge has the 392 available and they previously experimented with using a low boost Whipple supercharger on it's 5.7L Hemi before deciding on using the 6.1L in it's SRT-8 lineup. What if they put that Whipple on the 6.1L? It was rated for 425-450 in the 5.7L.
Remember, they have had a production 500+hp/500+tq engine for years longer than Chevy has the LS7. 14+ years now at 450+hp/450+tq vs 1 year for Chevy. The first production Viper rolled off the assembly line in Dec. 1991!
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02-03-2006, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Trendkiller Z
I knew exactly where you and LSDOUCHE were going to go with it. You two are comparing Dodges supercar to a potentiall mid 20-30 thousand dollar vehicle. You have to be out of your mind to believe they will throw the V10 in the Challenger, it won't sell for 50+K. Not only that, the 392 you speak of hasn't even been confirmed for a production car and it's a race engine making 500hp, what will it be with a detuned version in a Challenger? Not only that, what about the upcoming 600hp SC 6.2L coming from GM? What does Dodge have coming out that is confirmed?.....nada. Hell, lets throw in the C6R engine if we are going to compare everything that's ever been associated with every carmaker.
You are as dumb as a box of rocks. You think you know where I'm going? I've been to where YOU think YOU are going and I have already finished my beer and am on my way back.
Get the facts straight my son. The first quote was that Lutz said more power was on tap and pointed to the LS7. My response (in a nutshell) was that if you want to compare engines, GM has done a poor job of keeping up to Dodge in the production marketplace. Dodge's comparable engine is over a decade old and they have already spoke of using an alternate V8 like GM has. Additionally, the LS7 is only speculation as it pertains to entry into the Camaro, as is the 392 into the Challenger.
Damn you're dumb, realize that I was bringing up ENGINES, not supercars.
As a side note: Do you think he'll throw in the engine from his supercar into the Camaro? I would assume that if it did happen, it would not be until the Z06 is moving on to a new/bigger engine and the LS7 could be mass-produced to bring the cost down.
You are a true example of why inbreeding results in offspring that should have been aborted.
02-03-2006, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyBry
Bob Lutz, is this you?
You are as dumb as a box of rocks. You think you know where I'm going? I've been to where YOU think YOU are going and I have already finished my beer and am on my way back.
Get the facts straight my son. The first quote was that Lutz said more power was on tap and pointed to the LS7. My response (in a nutshell) was that if you want to compare engines, GM has done a poor job of keeping up to Dodge in the production marketplace. Dodge's comparable engine is over a decade old and they have already spoke of using an alternate V8 like GM has. Additionally, the LS7 is only speculation as it pertains to entry into the Camaro, as is the 392 into the Challenger.
Damn you're dumb, realize that I was bringing up ENGINES, not supercars.
As a side note: Do you think he'll throw in the engine from his supercar into the Camaro? I would assume that if it did happen, it would not be until the Z06 is moving on to a new/bigger engine and the LS7 could be mass-produced to bring the cost down.
You are a true example of why inbreeding results in offspring that should have been aborted.
You are as dumb as a box of rocks. You think you know where I'm going? I've been to where YOU think YOU are going and I have already finished my beer and am on my way back.
Get the facts straight my son. The first quote was that Lutz said more power was on tap and pointed to the LS7. My response (in a nutshell) was that if you want to compare engines, GM has done a poor job of keeping up to Dodge in the production marketplace. Dodge's comparable engine is over a decade old and they have already spoke of using an alternate V8 like GM has. Additionally, the LS7 is only speculation as it pertains to entry into the Camaro, as is the 392 into the Challenger.
Damn you're dumb, realize that I was bringing up ENGINES, not supercars.
As a side note: Do you think he'll throw in the engine from his supercar into the Camaro? I would assume that if it did happen, it would not be until the Z06 is moving on to a new/bigger engine and the LS7 could be mass-produced to bring the cost down.
You are a true example of why inbreeding results in offspring that should have been aborted.
02-04-2006, 01:58 PM
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Lutz's entire statement was speculation on future vehicles. The 392 is less speculation than the 5th generation Camaro. Last time I looked the racing world has little to do with the production car industry.