EPA wants to end the horsepower war
01-29-2008 | 08:15 PM
#21
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Sorry, but I disagree.
A daily driver mid-sized car that gets 100mpg and does nothing to hurt the environment? Great. No problem there. But a muscle car without internal combustion? Without the sounds and smells and feel of a REAL engine? Hell no. Not for me. You want to make my daily commuter car better for the planet? Fine, lets do it. But leave my weekend toys the hell alone. DON'T FU(K WITH MY HOBBY, PRESENT OR FUTURE. I see no reason for the EPA to involve themselves in a segment of cars that's such a small percentage of sales. High powered V8 cars are so rare compared to the average vehicle on the road, you wouldn't even put a noticeable dent in environmental issues by removing them from a car maker's lineup.
I want affordable performance. I don't want some 500hp non-emissions car that costs $100,000 just to "save the planet" for the few thousand miles per year I'll probably drive it.
People can call me old fashioned, call me self-centered, call me anti-environmental; I don't care. Those are just the ramblings of the leftist nutjobs like most EPA representitives.
IMO, the EPA = another example of modern communism. In theroy, the EPA is a great idea and a needed organization. But in pratice, they tend to suck.
A daily driver mid-sized car that gets 100mpg and does nothing to hurt the environment? Great. No problem there. But a muscle car without internal combustion? Without the sounds and smells and feel of a REAL engine? Hell no. Not for me. You want to make my daily commuter car better for the planet? Fine, lets do it. But leave my weekend toys the hell alone. DON'T FU(K WITH MY HOBBY, PRESENT OR FUTURE. I see no reason for the EPA to involve themselves in a segment of cars that's such a small percentage of sales. High powered V8 cars are so rare compared to the average vehicle on the road, you wouldn't even put a noticeable dent in environmental issues by removing them from a car maker's lineup.
I want affordable performance. I don't want some 500hp non-emissions car that costs $100,000 just to "save the planet" for the few thousand miles per year I'll probably drive it.
People can call me old fashioned, call me self-centered, call me anti-environmental; I don't care. Those are just the ramblings of the leftist nutjobs like most EPA representitives.
IMO, the EPA = another example of modern communism. In theroy, the EPA is a great idea and a needed organization. But in pratice, they tend to suck.
01-29-2008 | 09:49 PM
#23
I like the frontal area arguement brought up earlier. New GM trucks get worse gas milage due to aerodynamics. It's stupid as hell.
Plus why kill the HP war? Most cars on the road aren't the high horse models. Sounds more like a scapegoat they know they can easily take down!!
Plus why kill the HP war? Most cars on the road aren't the high horse models. Sounds more like a scapegoat they know they can easily take down!!
01-30-2008 | 01:14 AM
#25
You gotta love this site 
We all remember, well if you over 21, the hype about the ozone layer. Tree huggers boycotting stores that sold aresol hairspray. Or the acid rain destroying the rain forrest. It has never been proven the co2 is a "greenhouse" gas. Just like ozone, o3, is created everytime lightning strikes co2 is absorded at an astronamical rate when released into volumetric chamber simulating earths forestry. Tree hugging bastards will always find something to bitch about. I am all about fuel efficient vehicles but my reasons stem to indepence from other countries. If we want to solve the gas price issues lets build a new damn refinery and drill in Alaska. I think the cariboo being displaced for 6 months will find a way to survive. Small government is what made are country great and big brother is whats driving it into the ground. Leave my hobbies like cars and guns alone. While there at it let me keep more than 64 percent of the money I earn. If i want to give money to the less fortunate that should be my choice not the governments, ******* socialist bastards. Well im done bitching but glad to see im not the only one out there, at times it feels like i am.
We all remember, well if you over 21, the hype about the ozone layer. Tree huggers boycotting stores that sold aresol hairspray. Or the acid rain destroying the rain forrest. It has never been proven the co2 is a "greenhouse" gas. Just like ozone, o3, is created everytime lightning strikes co2 is absorded at an astronamical rate when released into volumetric chamber simulating earths forestry. Tree hugging bastards will always find something to bitch about. I am all about fuel efficient vehicles but my reasons stem to indepence from other countries. If we want to solve the gas price issues lets build a new damn refinery and drill in Alaska. I think the cariboo being displaced for 6 months will find a way to survive. Small government is what made are country great and big brother is whats driving it into the ground. Leave my hobbies like cars and guns alone. While there at it let me keep more than 64 percent of the money I earn. If i want to give money to the less fortunate that should be my choice not the governments, ******* socialist bastards. Well im done bitching but glad to see im not the only one out there, at times it feels like i am. Last edited by kistlerjm9; 01-30-2008 at 02:17 PM.
01-30-2008 | 04:53 AM
#26
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From: Schiller Park, IL Member: #317
You gotta love this site We all remember, well if you over 21, the hype about the ozone layer. Tree huggers boycotting stores that sold aresol hairspray. Or the acid rain destroying the rain forrest. It has never been proven the co2 is a "greenhouse" gas. Just like ozone, o3, is created everytime lightning strikes co2 is absorded at an astronamical rate when released into volumetric chamber simulating earths forestry. Tree hugging bastards will always find something to bitch about. I am all about fuel efficient vehicles but my reasons stem to indepence from other countries. If we want to solve the gas price issues lets build a new damn refinery and drill in Alaska. I think the cariboo being displaced for 6 months will find a way to survive. Small government is what made are country great and big brother is whats driving it into the ground. Leave my hobbies like cars and guns alone. While there at it let me keep more than 64 percent of the money I earn. If i want to give money to the less fortunate that should be my choice not the governments, ******* socialist bastards. Well im done bitching but glad to see im not the only one of there, at times it feels like i am.
We all remember, well if you over 21, the hype about the ozone layer. Tree huggers boycotting stores that sold aresol hairspray. Or the acid rain destroying the rain forrest. It has never been proven the co2 is a "greenhouse" gas. Just like ozone, o3, is created everytime lightning strikes co2 is absorded at an astronamical rate when released into volumetric chamber simulating earths forestry. Tree hugging bastards will always find something to bitch about. I am all about fuel efficient vehicles but my reasons stem to indepence from other countries. If we want to solve the gas price issues lets build a new damn refinery and drill in Alaska. I think the cariboo being displaced for 6 months will find a way to survive. Small government is what made are country great and big brother is whats driving it into the ground. Leave my hobbies like cars and guns alone. While there at it let me keep more than 64 percent of the money I earn. If i want to give money to the less fortunate that should be my choice not the governments, ******* socialist bastards. Well im done bitching but glad to see im not the only one of there, at times it feels like i am.
Trust me, you are not alone.
01-30-2008 | 07:48 AM
#27
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You gotta love this site We all remember, well if you over 21, the hype about the ozone layer. Tree huggers boycotting stores that sold aresol hairspray. Or the acid rain destroying the rain forrest. It has never been proven the co2 is a "greenhouse" gas. Just like ozone, o3, is created everytime lightning strikes co2 is absorded at an astronamical rate when released into volumetric chamber simulating earths forestry. Tree hugging bastards will always find something to bitch about. I am all about fuel efficient vehicles but my reasons stem to indepence from other countries. If we want to solve the gas price issues lets build a new damn refinery and drill in Alaska. I think the cariboo being displaced for 6 months will find a way to survive. Small government is what made are country great and big brother is whats driving it into the ground. Leave my hobbies like cars and guns alone. While there at it let me keep more than 64 percent of the money I earn. If i want to give money to the less fortunate that should be my choice not the governments, ******* socialist bastards. Well im done bitching but glad to see im not the only one of there, at times it feels like i am.
We all remember, well if you over 21, the hype about the ozone layer. Tree huggers boycotting stores that sold aresol hairspray. Or the acid rain destroying the rain forrest. It has never been proven the co2 is a "greenhouse" gas. Just like ozone, o3, is created everytime lightning strikes co2 is absorded at an astronamical rate when released into volumetric chamber simulating earths forestry. Tree hugging bastards will always find something to bitch about. I am all about fuel efficient vehicles but my reasons stem to indepence from other countries. If we want to solve the gas price issues lets build a new damn refinery and drill in Alaska. I think the cariboo being displaced for 6 months will find a way to survive. Small government is what made are country great and big brother is whats driving it into the ground. Leave my hobbies like cars and guns alone. While there at it let me keep more than 64 percent of the money I earn. If i want to give money to the less fortunate that should be my choice not the governments, ******* socialist bastards. Well im done bitching but glad to see im not the only one of there, at times it feels like i am.
01-30-2008 | 09:09 AM
#28
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Well said and no, you're not alone. What always gets me is the things that these tree huggers just blurt out like fact (for example, the ozone argument). With the "greenhouse gases" they claim our cars are outputting, they fail to realize that humans and even animals emit these so-called evil fumes every time we exhale, ****, fart etc. So do they some day plan on regulating the amount of breaths we take in a day? I guess that really wouldn't surprise me, especially if someone like Hillary Clinton makes her way to the White House. They usually are all for animal rights too, what the hell are they going to do about all these greenhouse gases that the bigger animals are emitting? OMG THE MOOSE ARE DESTROYING THE PLANET!!! See what I mean? Everything they say is so backwards that it's laughable. Just like globalwarmingcooling....the earth is going to heat up and then we'll have an ice age...what?
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01-30-2008 | 10:35 AM
#29
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01-30-2008 | 01:14 PM
#30
The way things are going the EPA will probably make us wear *** filters that have to be changed every 50 farts or 3 months and cost 50 bucks a piece. Just thinking about the EPA pisses me off and makes me sick to my stomach.
01-30-2008 | 01:28 PM
#31
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From: Blackwood, NJ
Exactly. It's all double speak and conflicting demands. They want us driving 100mpg cars, but they keep upping the safety requirements each year, and all that bracing and all those airbags (and other safety systems) weigh a lot, and weight is the anti-mpg.
Not only that, but the claims for the reasons behind these pushes are inconsistent and irrational as well. Sometimes you hear they want us to be less dependent on foriegn oil - ok, great, so why are they not pushing for diesel along side the higher gasoling mpg req's as that would allow us to better (more efficiently) utilize each and every barrel of crude we buy (efficiency comes in many flavors) - nevermind that diesels get better mpg than gas any day of the year. Also, why aren't they pushing the infrastructure for ethanol as well? Yes, it's not a replacement fuel, but the very idea of seeking for an across the board fuel replacement is flawed thinking from stem to stern. Gas + Ethanol + Diesel + pure electric = MUCH less demand on gasoline alone (if we can balance out the percentages, at least a little).
Then you hear that they want to reduce "carbon emissions". The evil Carbon Dioxide... gasp, shock, horror, oh noes!!1!!11
These same people then proceed to claim they want to HELP nature and that's what drives them. EXCEPT, there's the "inconvenient truth" (inconvenient to them at least) that CO2 is kinda necessary for plant life, and it to them what O2 is to us, and it's only by the presence of CO2 and the plants that live off of it that we HAVE O2 in the first bloody place. And the supplemental to that - where is plant life the most abundant? Where it's the WARMEST. And life in general was also more abundant in the distant past when the planet was MUCH hotter (all without evil SUVs and gasoline use).
You know.... a cynic could sugges that they actually want to destroy nature and keep us dependent on foriegn oil and are simply trying to reduce current consumption to account for (the out of control) population growth so that there is no backlash and we're still chained to the gas pump for decades, if not centruies to come.
I'm not so sure they are intelligent enough to be that cunning, and most of the moonbats really honestly beleive they are "helping the planet" while actually promoting policies that harm it.
Not only that, but the claims for the reasons behind these pushes are inconsistent and irrational as well. Sometimes you hear they want us to be less dependent on foriegn oil - ok, great, so why are they not pushing for diesel along side the higher gasoling mpg req's as that would allow us to better (more efficiently) utilize each and every barrel of crude we buy (efficiency comes in many flavors) - nevermind that diesels get better mpg than gas any day of the year. Also, why aren't they pushing the infrastructure for ethanol as well? Yes, it's not a replacement fuel, but the very idea of seeking for an across the board fuel replacement is flawed thinking from stem to stern. Gas + Ethanol + Diesel + pure electric = MUCH less demand on gasoline alone (if we can balance out the percentages, at least a little).
Then you hear that they want to reduce "carbon emissions". The evil Carbon Dioxide... gasp, shock, horror, oh noes!!1!!11
These same people then proceed to claim they want to HELP nature and that's what drives them. EXCEPT, there's the "inconvenient truth" (inconvenient to them at least) that CO2 is kinda necessary for plant life, and it to them what O2 is to us, and it's only by the presence of CO2 and the plants that live off of it that we HAVE O2 in the first bloody place. And the supplemental to that - where is plant life the most abundant? Where it's the WARMEST. And life in general was also more abundant in the distant past when the planet was MUCH hotter (all without evil SUVs and gasoline use).You know.... a cynic could sugges that they actually want to destroy nature and keep us dependent on foriegn oil and are simply trying to reduce current consumption to account for (the out of control) population growth so that there is no backlash and we're still chained to the gas pump for decades, if not centruies to come.
I'm not so sure they are intelligent enough to be that cunning, and most of the moonbats really honestly beleive they are "helping the planet" while actually promoting policies that harm it.
01-30-2008 | 04:48 PM
#32
the damn earth is not coming to no end anytime within the next 10 billion years.. the earth has always went threw warm and cold cycles its just how it works, we are still coming out of the ice age!!!!... I guess 10,000 years from now when the world starts to cool again we will need to make vehicles that do nothing but output co2 to keep the planet warm...
01-30-2008 | 05:46 PM
#34
01-30-2008 | 05:58 PM
#35
Thanks for the site doubt I will get a response but here was the comment I posted.
"I feel you current plan to eliminate the horsepower war is by far the most uneducated piece of progaganda the epa has ever come up with. Do your research into how often these "high horsepower" vehicles are actually driven. Better yet look the fuel efficiency most of these models are producing. I know this falls on deaf ears but I do hope you will look into this matter. Please pull your lips away from the tree hugging lobbyist's rear ends and pay attention to the real working members of the U.S.A. Leave the world of hobby motoring alone and find a real solution to dependence on foreign oil."
"I feel you current plan to eliminate the horsepower war is by far the most uneducated piece of progaganda the epa has ever come up with. Do your research into how often these "high horsepower" vehicles are actually driven. Better yet look the fuel efficiency most of these models are producing. I know this falls on deaf ears but I do hope you will look into this matter. Please pull your lips away from the tree hugging lobbyist's rear ends and pay attention to the real working members of the U.S.A. Leave the world of hobby motoring alone and find a real solution to dependence on foreign oil."
01-30-2008 | 06:11 PM
#36
Currently in the process of patenting butt filters for humans and their domesticated pets. Coming soon farm animal filters. Dont worry filter size is only 2inches in diameter so when you bend over it wont hurt that bad. HAHA I cant wait to see these on ebay. Wonder if the tree huggers will be the first in line to have this rammed up there *** like they try to ram their neocon political views to the rest of the world.
01-30-2008 | 07:33 PM
#37
Anyone ever notice how large refinery's..and a large group of industrial
company's polute on a massive level..and the Epa is standing there on the
1st of the month to collect the payoff...oops I mean fine.
Big Government in this country is so corrupt it's sad,All this green garbage
is politically and financially motivated...It's a joke
Global warming is a hoax... Let's start the save the V-8 foundation!!!!
company's polute on a massive level..and the Epa is standing there on the
1st of the month to collect the payoff...oops I mean fine.
Big Government in this country is so corrupt it's sad,All this green garbage
is politically and financially motivated...It's a joke
Global warming is a hoax... Let's start the save the V-8 foundation!!!!
01-30-2008 | 07:38 PM
#38
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Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 566
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From: Dallas
So long as the EPA is around, then I'll do my damnedest to compensate for their hybrids.
Global warming? Ah but people don't like change!!! How dare the volcanoes spew the most gasses of all!! The gall...
Global warming? Ah but people don't like change!!! How dare the volcanoes spew the most gasses of all!! The gall...
01-30-2008 | 08:30 PM
#39
I don't ever want to drive a 4 cylinder "muscle car", regardless of how powerful it might be. I will be sticking with my "old" V8 cars for a long time. This whole situation really sucks for us. GM and Chrysler have already pretty much given up on future V8 development.
01-30-2008 | 11:47 PM
#40
Maybe I am mistaken, but in general isn't America pretty good with emissions? I thought it was mostly developing industrial countries that gave out the most emissions.
I feel that since I am only 21 that I am going to possibly miss out on the time when I can really mod, buy and do whatever to my cars. Right now I am just a college student, so my mods have to come slower. It seems that the direction some people wanna take emissions laws I might be having my mid life crisis in a 4 cylinder econobox. RPM WS6, I really agree with what you are saying.
Not to change the subject, but sometimes I get confused by all the global warming talk. I've been reading up on some medieval history and at one point, from the 12th to 13th century, people enjoyed a warm period. The temperature rose around three to four degrees overall, while not a huge rise it was enough to keep frosts away. I am sure during this period the ice caps melted a bit, but no one knew. All of this stuff was caused by God and thats how it was. Then in the 14th century, the Earth cooled off and this caused crop failures and a lot of people starved to death. This kind of stuff happens all of the time over billions of years. It seems to be whats happening now, but with maybe a little help from us...but who really knows.
I know that really had nothing to do with the epa and cars, I just found it interesting and thought I would share.
I feel that since I am only 21 that I am going to possibly miss out on the time when I can really mod, buy and do whatever to my cars. Right now I am just a college student, so my mods have to come slower. It seems that the direction some people wanna take emissions laws I might be having my mid life crisis in a 4 cylinder econobox. RPM WS6, I really agree with what you are saying.
Not to change the subject, but sometimes I get confused by all the global warming talk. I've been reading up on some medieval history and at one point, from the 12th to 13th century, people enjoyed a warm period. The temperature rose around three to four degrees overall, while not a huge rise it was enough to keep frosts away. I am sure during this period the ice caps melted a bit, but no one knew. All of this stuff was caused by God and thats how it was. Then in the 14th century, the Earth cooled off and this caused crop failures and a lot of people starved to death. This kind of stuff happens all of the time over billions of years. It seems to be whats happening now, but with maybe a little help from us...but who really knows.
I know that really had nothing to do with the epa and cars, I just found it interesting and thought I would share.