Chadder

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This reminds me of a newspaper article I read here in College Station. It said that Texas has the highest c02 emissions of any state in the union in a study from a group supported by Al Gore.

Governor Rick Perry said Al Gore's mouth has the highest c02 emissions. No apology was sent.

kistlerjm9

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Long live texas. Al Gore winning a ******* nobel peace prize was the biggest joke ever. Everything that comes out of that mans mouth is more methane than co2. Well I guess we can thank him for the internet haha what a tool an ace hardware special. 90

OSU-53

It's probably true that densely populated countries like China or India produce more "dangerous" emissions than the US, but groups like the EPA, ACLU, etc. apparently hate the US and the citizens that live within it. They would like nothing more than to stick a bunch of regulations in place (i.e. CAFE standards) and cripple an entire branch of US industry. Hell look at what has happened to Detroit. Then you get someone like Hillary campaigning there saying she will save the city of Detroit. My ***! It's people like her that are destroying companies like the big three with there stupid standards! People want cars like the corvette, mustang, viper, challenger, camaro, cts-v, etc. etc. America is supposed to have a free market, yet Billary Clinton would love to turn this country into the Soviet Union. Everybody gets told what job they will take, everybody makes the same amount of money, there are no differences anymore, no individuals...sounds utopian! The idea is ridiculous I know, and it will probably never happen, but with the way things are being more and more controlled by the government (for example, the 35MPG fleet avg. by 2020), it's not as far fetched anymore I guess.

And by the way, I think I know what you're talking about with the small portion of history you spoke of. Around 1000 A.D I think, there was a "little optimum", which is what my history professor called it, where the earth did indeed warm up a substantial amount, then it cooled back down. All this took place with 0 automobiles, 0 coal plants, 0 nuclear plants residing on the planet. But don't tell that to the EPA or Al Gore, that would explain too much about what is going on with the planet now a days, and it's so much easier and profitable to blame humans and, specifically, America

DrkPhynx

Exactly. It doesn't matter HOW "clean" this country's industries or the products it produces (vehicles) are, they aren't really interested in emissions, so they will continue to hammer on the public until everyone conforms to their wishes, then they will cast their gaze elsewhere and move on to the next thing.


Yes, but liberals are the worst kind of lying scum who promise everything to everybody no matter how much double-speak it requires. Then they only make good on the promises that involve handing money and services to those who won't work (payed for by the rest of us), as well as those which involve reducing freedoms. (they are afraid of a free people - liberals are scared crap-less by their fellow citizen but totally trusting of the jack-booted KGB thugs (which just goes to show you how retarded each and every liberal reall is), and the ones in office (any office) also truly believe they know what's best for you, no matter what you may think or have to say about it.)


It's never been far fetched. And it IS happening - slowly. Every time I have pointed out how things are going and what's to come, I've been accused of being a tin-foil hat wearing paranoid, but when my predictions actually HAPPEN, those same people forget that they ever said that (conveniently) and now actually support those events/policies/inventions and once again accuse me of wearing tin-foil hats. It's sad, frustating, and more than a little ridiculous.

People are lazy, physically and intellectually. They are only too happy to let someone else do the thinking for them. They are also idealistic at their core, so they are eager to beleive propaganda if it sounds good. That's how Lenin and Mao did what they did.

Add to that the fact that people want to be respected and percieved well by others, and you have "compromise" and "weighing all sides" being held in super high regard. Which might be ok if it wasn't tainted by the dangerous intellectual lazyness and idealism.

So you have the siren call (one of them anyway) of liberals everywhere - "compromise". They beleive their love for compromise somehow makes them more intelligent and "better" than anyone who disagrees, and they brow-beat everyone into following suit. And you have a situation where the country moves inexorably to the left - just more slowly. (because they "compromise" by only getting SOME of what they want.... _this_ time. They'll get more later - and more later still, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum.)


Humans ARE a virus though. But the problem is not cars. It's the reproductive rate and the mass-deforrestation of the land, plus the strip mining.

But the latest thing I've heard is that libs are accepting that global warming is a natural phenomenon, but they are insisting that we are accelerating it in some sort of dangerous manner.

Of course, one could argue that our effects are no worse than an impromptu rash of vulcanism, but that doesn't matter to them. And they don't really show how a certain number of degrees (increase) in a short span is inherently worse than a long span.

It's just ridiculous. Millions upon millions of sheeple fervently beleive this stuff is real and really bad. They are conducted and played by a small handful who know better and don't care or don't know for sure but don't care either way, and are using it to cement their power base and personal fortunes. The rest of us get to suffer for it.

This is just a SMALL example of why liberalism is a greater threat to this country than foreign terrorism.

QSZ

epa can kiss my ***. my ls6 gets better mileage then my DD toyota. only problem is i have a hard time keeping my foot off the pedal of the z.

**** em, take my cars and i hope they are prepared for a war. im sick of the people in this country(libs) they make me so mad i just want to punch a baby to **** them off.

Hydramatic

You'd probably **** off more conservatives, and the Liberals would fight for your right to punch babies.

Me, I'm in the middle, so the extremist sides of both Rep and Dem **** me off. Republicans can't run a country for ****, and Democrats can't seem to keep their hands off of social freedoms. **** both parties!

2002_z28_m6

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Al Gore is the biggest piece of Thanks to him for all this EPA global warming crap. That man doesnt have a clue anyways. I read that research shows the average temp on the other planets is raising at the same rate as earth. There is no SUV's and muscle cars running around on those planets is there.
Just like he claims to have invented the internet.

QSZ

i hate em all! club a baby seal, punch a baby, i dont care. both parties do suck. more people need to hear about RON PAUL.

kistlerjm9

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Ron Paul is a hippie! Although a social conservative he does push the boundaries on economic issues. More of a marxist than anything, when it comes to the american economics. I do feel he is getting a bad rap though not being aloud to debate or take part of any political ongoings. The political system is never going to change is always the lesser of two evils. For me it comes down to small government, lower taxes, socially conservative. If a democrat or republican hold to true to the values I have they will get my vote. We still live in the greatest nation on the planet just need to rid ourselves of retarded thinkers.

DrkPhynx

You know that no jackass (hey, it's their own symbol, just laughingly appropriate ) will ever do that. (Even the reps are sliding thanks to the level of socialist thinking in the vocal public)


If only. Need to do what the liberals did - take over the schools. Dump the forced reliance on others and anti-individualism atmosphere, as well as the mindset of hand outs (participation trophys, banning competition... and that's just for starters).

Built LT1

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Exactly! And screw the EPA. They simply say what the whatever they wish regardless if it makes sense. They're afforded too much discretionary power; Justice Scalia has called them Junior Varsity Congresses. These agencies arbitrate law because they're given the authority by Congress to be the "experts" where law makers have limited knowledge.

It's like marijuana, it's illegal because the DEA says it's dangerous, and classifies it as such. Congress can change it, of course, but if it's not addressed, these agencies can legislate ratify their will with impunity.

The idea that sports cars would be singled out (which are limited in production, infrequently driven, offer better gas mileage than SUV's, and reflect our culture) over the myriad of daily driven trucks and SUV's is illogical. I wonder how many of these people lead by example?

Oh, sorry for the government lesson...

Rhedalert

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The EPA can't say jack about large SUV fuel economy because that's the whole damn Government's Fleet!!

Built LT1

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LOL; good point!

I suppose that's why they're focusing on the sports cars. It's really annoying to see 16 cylinder Buggatti Veyrons clogging up morning traffic day after day. And if we don't do something soon, everyday is going to look like a Gumball rally on the highway.

Built LT1

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LOL; good point!

I suppose that's why they're focusing on the sports cars instead of the literally millions of SUV's and trucks, it's only logical. It's really annoying to see 16 cylinder Buggatti Veyrons clogging up morning traffic day after day. And if we don't do something soon, the future just might look like one big Gumball rally on the highway.

oifish

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and you know all those v8 crown vic's they will have to go

QSZ

ron pauls domestic policy is excellent. pretty much everything i stand for, except i want to eliminate, over time, all federal assistance programs. we need one small office for that though, and it will only help people in desperate need. desperate need does not include lazy *** folks with 20 kids who dont want to work. im just sick of funding other peoples ****. why cant i just keep the money i make? pisses me off. if cali got nuked of the earth, i wouldnt miss it. bunch of libtards.

kistlerjm9

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I agree with you on overtime and federal programs. Thank FDR! Ron Pauls stance on taxes makes me concerned, he does feel taxing the rich is a must. Why? So the government can give more money to welfare. Sounds a lot like the USSR. I feel I can dispurse my money better than the government ever could. And for all of those thinking oh you dont care about the poor. Tell that to the 97 foster kids I have had through my house, or the charities I volunteer or give money too. Welfare should come from the ppl of america not the government. The EPA is just one small faction of the government that should be completely eliminated or at least have an extremely limited role. NASA is another money pit but we wont go there. Great we beat the russians to the moon. We would have been there a hell of a lot faster if this activity was aloud by private companies. Our countries small business' are starting to fade due to overtaxation and more government control. If we lose the small business man we lose 70% of federal income.

Chris95Z

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But, the sad thing is that many people are really stupid or lazy. Lobbyists and politicians know how to exploit it well. That goes on both sides. Take those including myself who want to be able to own firearms, you have people like those religious nutjobs such as shirley phelps taking freedoms along the same lines (bill of rights) to extremes. While I hate seeing the dirty brown sky here in in cal, doing away with high horsepower engines is hardly the way to go to clean the air. It's sad that the areas that really need to be worked on often are shielded by political influence and money. So resultingly retarted bureaucracies like the EPA shift their focus to those they can bully because they know that muscle car guys, like you and me, will probably not organize into some grassroots type effort with the intent of saving our beloved cars. ********.

DrkPhynx

I'm not entirely sure if I'm reading you correctly here, but I can say unequivocally, there is NO SUCH THING as taking freedoms to extremes. That is really the whole purpose of the Bill of Rights. There is no negotiations, no special circumstances, we have those rights (and ALL powers not EXPRESSLY enumerated in the Constitution as belonging to the gov't is IHERENTLY vested in us), and the people's opinions be damned. The reason being of course, that as we see today, people are easily frightened and programmed into beleiving that freedom is a dangerous and scary thing, and it's all too easy to lose them and not be able to get them back.

Of course, if everyone REALLY wanted to change it, there is an amendment process, but it's intentionally difficult. Instead we have congress and judges routing around and ignoring the Constitution.

As Patrick Henry said - “Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”



Back on topic - the EPA is a good idea, it's just gotten out of hand. It NEEDS to be banning the mass deforrestation going on, and jailing companies that dump improperly or otherwise harm the environment - not just slapping minor fines on them. Going after cars (and very discriminantly at that), and even smokers and guns, is NOT what it should be doing.

Chris95Z

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I respectfully disagree, freedom in its most extreme state is anarchy. With something like the bill of rights, imho, it was intended to grant people liberty and freedom but within reasonable limits. I have a problem with those that unreasonably abuse those freedoms at the expense of others well-being hence my reference to Shirley Phelps. Now...

I agree fully

EPA good idea in principle, ruined by retards, not just within the agency but also by certain lobbyist groups.