Toyota takes world sales in 1st Q
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Job security for a tech must suck at a company making cars that never break down.
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Toyota didn't brainwash anyone, GM (Ford and Chrysler) all chased their customers away with abysmal cars and they still do today. Toyota makes the best appliances on four wheels and that's something GM isn't going to beat them at anytime soon.
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GM isn't going to last another 30 years as-is, they've sold off just about everything they can and they lost as much money last year as ExxonMobil made. The company isn't just swirling the toilet, it's going down it at this point.
Toyota didn't brainwash anyone, GM (Ford and Chrysler) all chased their customers away with abysmal cars and they still do today. Toyota makes the best appliances on four wheels and that's something GM isn't going to beat them at anytime soon.
Toyota didn't brainwash anyone, GM (Ford and Chrysler) all chased their customers away with abysmal cars and they still do today. Toyota makes the best appliances on four wheels and that's something GM isn't going to beat them at anytime soon.
I don't share your enthusiasm for the demise of our American auto manf and although I'm biased towards American products I do buy an occassional "used" Japanese vehicle to see how much better they are
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Yeah, I certainly don't share his enthusiasm for that either and frankly I can't figure out how ANY honest and loyal AMERICAN could be as enthusiastic about it as some of the Japanese auto industry nutswingers on here seem to be. ![Icon Confused](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/icon_confused.gif)
GM's (or Ford's, or Chrysler's) demise might be on the horizon (but not likely) but there is really no need to celebrate it, even appearing to be smugly overjoyed by it.
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GM's (or Ford's, or Chrysler's) demise might be on the horizon (but not likely) but there is really no need to celebrate it, even appearing to be smugly overjoyed by it.
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IMO, everyone wants the NAME. Take Lexus for instance, people are brainwashed. Yes, they are decent cars, but WAYYY overpriced for what you're getting. I've never myself driven one, but when people of the bat say "lexus is so much nicer than cadillac," I want to shoot them!! And really, some of the lexus models look THE EXACT SAME as the base Toyota model, just different badges and a $20,000 sticker increase. I just don't understand people sometime..
Really, I think it's all to do with marketing. Toyota has great marketing and GM's marketing BLOWS!!!!!!!!
If people see 5 toyota commercials and 1 gm commercial, what do you think they are going to end up buying?
Really, I think it's all to do with marketing. Toyota has great marketing and GM's marketing BLOWS!!!!!!!!
If people see 5 toyota commercials and 1 gm commercial, what do you think they are going to end up buying?
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Some people don't realize the amount of Americans employed by our auto manufacturers compared to the Foreign OEMs. GM by itself employs more Americans than all of the Japanese, Germans and Korean auto manufacturers combined.
In my opinion, theres plenty of room for the bottom tier Japanese and Korean companies to go under long before any of the Big three go down. They don't employ us, why the hell should we buy their product!
I'd have to disagree on the Toyota commerials as being great. If I see that dorky "Toyota Joe" guy that they have plastered all over the internet one more time I'm going to puke!
In my opinion, theres plenty of room for the bottom tier Japanese and Korean companies to go under long before any of the Big three go down. They don't employ us, why the hell should we buy their product!
I'd have to disagree on the Toyota commerials as being great. If I see that dorky "Toyota Joe" guy that they have plastered all over the internet one more time I'm going to puke!
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IMO, everyone wants the NAME. Take Lexus for instance, people are brainwashed. Yes, they are decent cars, but WAYYY overpriced for what you're getting. I've never myself driven one, but when people of the bat say "lexus is so much nicer than cadillac," I want to shoot them!!
Not sure if anyone realizes what it once meant to actually own a Cadillac. It was the WORLD STANDARD of automobiles back in the day, the trendsetter, the true measure used to show that one had 'arrived', I'm talking almost Rolls Royce status here.
I remember my uncles talking about it when I was very young, how they finally saved up enough money to buy even a used Cadillac and when my mother finally got her first one (a '67 Sedan DeVille bought in '71) the WHOLE neighborhood came over to see it.
I loved my '96 DeVille Concours, huge car with a 300hp Northstar 4.6L V8 and ran a 15.07@92.40mph in stock trim and I know I could've put it in the 14s.
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Must be different Toyotas then what I have owned. Previous 00 Tundra I owned was a mushy POS and was at the dealer 3 times in the first 2 years. My current 02 GMC, not one visit to the dealer in 105,000 miles, same for my 04 Tahoe. Current RAV4 I own is a little POS buzz box, no better then a Hyundai SUV. Rented a Corolla on a business trip...Yeh, thats real quality? Must be the Prius and Camry that are the real high quality vehicles.
On the other hand, you are employed to work on Japanese vehicles that never break so you must be like the Matag repair man since Toyotas never break.
On the other hand, you are employed to work on Japanese vehicles that never break so you must be like the Matag repair man since Toyotas never break.
and BTW lexus is american built
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I've driven/owned Fords, Toyotas and GMs as well and I would like to disagree with you. If you think there is some huge quality difference between the brands you are nieve.
Go to a different country and you will see the exact opposite, a lot of people consider their domestic cars inferior to the imports (GM/Ford are imports in other countries). And it's completely baseless. Just a bunch of idiots, if you want to prove otherwise then show some proof, otherwise you just lead me to believe that you are included in that group as well that make up your mind without facts.
I think a lot of people are like that on almost everything in the world though...
Go to a different country and you will see the exact opposite, a lot of people consider their domestic cars inferior to the imports (GM/Ford are imports in other countries). And it's completely baseless. Just a bunch of idiots, if you want to prove otherwise then show some proof, otherwise you just lead me to believe that you are included in that group as well that make up your mind without facts.
I think a lot of people are like that on almost everything in the world though...
Lets see
1. Ford compares their quality to that of Toyota in a commercial. Bad move IMO but it definitely says something when an established car company (one that implemented the first automotive production line) compares their production to a foriegn manufacturer.
2. In college (mechanical engineering) we were taught about Toyota's design practices. My wife (industrial engineering) learned about their manufacturing and quality control methods. What you can take from that is their practices are being taught at our universities.
3. Last statistic for quality I saw 7 out of 10 manufacturers were foriegn. I don't have it on hand but I can dig it up if you want "proof". It won't be hard.
Also, since you know it all, when integrating a system with thousands of parts you're going to have problems. Again, don't need to be a genius. It's a matter of who has the least.
As for preference, that's subjective, but I bet you're one of those idiots that thinks because it's not american it's garbage
And if you care to know we have 2 Ford trucks (maybe a 3rd very soon) and a GM vehicle in our driveway.
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They do that only because we force them to. However, the trade agreement isn't so nice going back the other way.
And finally, the #s employed by the japanese companies is a drop in the bucket compared to the #s (of Americans) employed by the big 3.
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Proof? You serious? You don't need to be a genius to figure that one out.
Lets see
1. Ford compares their quality to that of Toyota in a commercial. Bad move IMO but it definitely says something when an established car company (one that implemented the first automotive production line) compares their production to a foriegn manufacturer.
2. In college (mechanical engineering) we were taught about Toyota's design practices. My wife (industrial engineering) learned about their manufacturing and quality control methods. What you can take from that is their practices are being taught at our universities.
3. Last statistic for quality I saw 7 out of 10 manufacturers were foriegn. I don't have it on hand but I can dig it up if you want "proof". It won't be hard.
Also, since you know it all, when integrating a system with thousands of parts you're going to have problems. Again, don't need to be a genius. It's a matter of who has the least.
As for preference, that's subjective, but I bet you're one of those idiots that thinks because it's not american it's garbage
And if you care to know we have 2 Ford trucks (maybe a 3rd very soon) and a GM vehicle in our driveway.
Lets see
1. Ford compares their quality to that of Toyota in a commercial. Bad move IMO but it definitely says something when an established car company (one that implemented the first automotive production line) compares their production to a foriegn manufacturer.
2. In college (mechanical engineering) we were taught about Toyota's design practices. My wife (industrial engineering) learned about their manufacturing and quality control methods. What you can take from that is their practices are being taught at our universities.
3. Last statistic for quality I saw 7 out of 10 manufacturers were foriegn. I don't have it on hand but I can dig it up if you want "proof". It won't be hard.
Also, since you know it all, when integrating a system with thousands of parts you're going to have problems. Again, don't need to be a genius. It's a matter of who has the least.
As for preference, that's subjective, but I bet you're one of those idiots that thinks because it's not american it's garbage
And if you care to know we have 2 Ford trucks (maybe a 3rd very soon) and a GM vehicle in our driveway.
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Nailing a few parts together does NOT make something American.
They do that only because we force them to. However, the trade agreement isn't so nice going back the other way.
And finally, the #s employed by the japanese companies is a drop in the bucket compared to the #s (of Americans) employed by the big 3.
They do that only because we force them to. However, the trade agreement isn't so nice going back the other way.
And finally, the #s employed by the japanese companies is a drop in the bucket compared to the #s (of Americans) employed by the big 3.
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Just like the Sprinter Van. You can't pretty much 100% make it in Germany and then turn a couple of bolts in the good old USA and call it American.
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i work for toyota and u cant beat the fit and finish of a toyota... and where else can u take ur car to a dealer and get steering engine drive train work lets say 3600 bucks worth of repairs done in a day u take a chevy in for a tune up aligh bla bla u have to wait till one tech gets done with it to pass it on the dont do it all they have engine techs drive train tech elec tech ect... at toyota u have to be able to do it all... i am a master ase/toyota tech and wouldnt ever go to gm.. ford or dodge.....
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According to all of the import nameplate worshippers around here the vehicle is supposed to be rattle free and of ULTRA high quality at all times simply because it's a Toyota...if it were that good IT SHOULDN'T BE RATTLING IN THE FIRST PLACE!
NOT TRUE!
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GOOD ONE!!
I used that same one on a independent mechanic who also was a TOY/'DUH nutschwinging TOTAL azzhat over on bobistheoilguy.com
I asked him how long he planned on being in business from just oil changes on the 'gold standard epitome of perfection'<-
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Maybe since they are sooooo efficient/perfect/infallible, etc. with their 'kaizen', J.I.T., et al, all of these Japan worshippers want them to come over here and run the WHOLE show/country??
They already have ALL of our other manufacturing, electronics, etc. and it seems like so many of you are just rubbing your hands together in anticipation of them killing off what's left of our auto industry.
I've NEVER seen so many so happy about the prospect of becoming a 4th WORLD country!!
I guess they really did win WW2, huh?? (SORRY for that one vets!
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This news was inevitable. What's also inevitable is that GM will go bankrupt unless drastic changes are made and GM simply isn't making them.
There is no "new" GM. It's the same company being destroyed by the same hubris and mismanagement as it always has. It's being crushed under the weight of supporting eight nearly worthless brands in a market that doesn't support them and hasn't for 30 years.
The majority of their cars are still poor values, still have corners cut and are still mediocre.
Toyota is a benchmark for a reason and they are the world's wealthiest and fastest growing automaker for a reason.
There is no "new" GM. It's the same company being destroyed by the same hubris and mismanagement as it always has. It's being crushed under the weight of supporting eight nearly worthless brands in a market that doesn't support them and hasn't for 30 years.
The majority of their cars are still poor values, still have corners cut and are still mediocre.
Toyota is a benchmark for a reason and they are the world's wealthiest and fastest growing automaker for a reason.
Toyota is enjoying the success they currently have thanks to an inaccurate general perception of quality, and lots and lots of trade advantages given to them by our government because they are based outside of the US.
Toyota is the "benchmark" of how to build a bland car and sell it well.
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My brother, who graduated with his masters in industrial design, had countless classes in which Japanese designs were used as examples of "what not to do". Styling in particular was the biggest issue, and it was fascinating for me to learn why. Their vehicles are styled primarily based on superstitious teachings that are several thousand years old. Shows how ridiculous people in our country are when they eat this **** up.
I refuse to pay $4500 for a tranny rebuild simply because some executive's ancestors said that gears are bad luck.
Well that's what happens when your statistics are over 5 years old. That's the last time "7 out of 10" manufacturers in the top ten for quality were foreign.
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There must be some sort of psychology of denial in an import buyers mind. Once you have sold out, you won't come back as a domestic buyer no matter how bad your import is. I have a fellow Engineer in my office who got pissed off as hell when his Chevy truck had a flat and he couldn't get his tire jack to work. Ran down to the Nissan Dealer and proceded to buy a new Titan. The Chevy truck he traded in and the one before that were inffalable, along with the S10 I sold his son which has 220k on it (Other than fuel pumps from running out of gas every other week). Now all he does is bitch about the Titan and it's poor gas mileage and it being in the shop several times in the first 6 months of ownership. My guess is he'll be back to a GM truck sooner or later.
My current Rav has nothing wrong with it as far as Toyota is concerned, it's just under developed from the factory-ie Wind noise, road noise, poor insulation, no features. Thats what you get for 28k. My 105k mi GMC feels like a Cady by comparison. My 2 year old Tundra had the trans go at 60k and a continuing warped rotor issues the 25k miles I owned it. I'm sure theres some good ones out there, but if I have to take it into the dealership and people are saying they are the best cars in the world I will cry Bunk!
I think my next car is going to be a Supra, it's the best car in the world, or so I'm told on the Supra boards.
My current Rav has nothing wrong with it as far as Toyota is concerned, it's just under developed from the factory-ie Wind noise, road noise, poor insulation, no features. Thats what you get for 28k. My 105k mi GMC feels like a Cady by comparison. My 2 year old Tundra had the trans go at 60k and a continuing warped rotor issues the 25k miles I owned it. I'm sure theres some good ones out there, but if I have to take it into the dealership and people are saying they are the best cars in the world I will cry Bunk!
I think my next car is going to be a Supra, it's the best car in the world, or so I'm told on the Supra boards.
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Of course.
Didn't you know that they perform >2000 rwhp surgery on themselves, on pump gas and stock heads/internals, reliably, all the time, without you doing anything, and without you spending a thin dime!!
Why God himself is unworthy to touch this masterpiece of ultimate automotive perfection!!!
Chuck Norris runs in abject fear at the site and ppssshhhh, pppssshhh sounds it makes.
They launch nuclear projectiles out of their low hanging, sidewayzz fart cannons, which vaporize everything else on the road!!!
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Is that enough fanboyzz, or have I not even scratched the surface yet??!
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