No unit, not high level.
But like TT632 has stated, I still had plenty of chances to hear, direct and verbatim, what those Japanese national execs said/felt.
Remember, until very recently Japan, Inc./TOY had a nationalist/racial 'glass ceiling' whereby only Nippon nationals could hold any positions higher than mid level management even in THIS country!!
But they weren't 'racist'.
In fact, they considered any U.S. based plant, distribution center, office building and the surrounding land to be sovereign Japanese territory, and only conceded to the laws of this land in order to be able to do their (lopsided) business here.
THINK about THAT for a moment.

 

Iraq won't be producing cars anytime soon but you could always buy a Indian Tata...I mean Jaguar. Wow! that has to be analogous to Yugo buying Mercedes.
Sorry, off topic.

 

By no means am i saying cars from the past i greater than the cars of today. Im just saying i wish i could enjoy one day in the past when the american manufacturers ruled. Im only 24, but i can hardly imagine being my age in the late '60s and seeing Camaros/Firebirds, Corvettes, Chevelles, GTOs, etc... running up and down the street. Thats the time American cars were gods, and it must have been one hell of a time to live in for the average car guy/girl.

Either way now in present time people by cars on how they feel people will look at them driving it. Alot of people im sure like the Malibu, but would rather spend double the money on a BMW/Mercedes/Lexus, because they feel people will look at them differently. Not even Cadillac is looked at the same way, only by much older people. My grandfather has told me stories on how back in the day if you wanted to be noticed you drove a Cadillac. Now if you drive a Cadillac people probably think its because you couldn't afford one of the over-priced forgein automakes.
-Joel

 

Your an idiot for the first part of that statement, I wasn't aware that the Germans weren't our REAL enemy but a "also-ran...someone we had to go after".
And I guess the Germans treated prisoners in their death camps well. And no Japanese ever helped Americans during the war.


Generalize much?
I'd like to hear your opinions about blacks, Asians, and Hispanics...please tell us how you truly feel!

LOL, that's cute...the reason I brought that up was the same reason you brought up the fact that you yourself are a soldier...to show where your coming from. So stop being a ******* hypocrite. I don't need you to hold my hand on how to abide by the Code of Conduct and I reserve my right to express my opinion on matters directed at me even when called unpatriotic. I find it amusing that I've been called a democrat, socialist and unpatriotic all in the same thread while discussing matters that refer to vehicles and the auto industry. Just for the record I'm a Republican but apparently there's a need by some people on here to label someone to a ******* group because they disagree with them...that's pathetic on your and DrRetard's part.
The point was regardless of political, religious or ethnic origin any soldier serving our country for us IS a patriot. And if I feel a need to defend that regardless of what you determine my manly hood is, than I will.
Back at you Dad


No way in really knowing but if history repeats itself we might, we are driving Japanese and German products today. However those two countries were industrial powerhouses back then as they are today, the middle east isn't, so it'd be hard to imagine that they'd develop an automotive industry that can compete...but who can really tell.

 

Well I was only ~12 - 16 years old during the height of that era, but yes, I can tell you it was cool as hell to see that whole scene happening for the first time.
And barely an import in sight, of ANY kind, ANYWHERE (EVEN in 'New Kyoto' {Cali }). Oh noes, today's import fanboiees would be heartbroken/sick with despair!!

And yes, I DO remember when Caddy WAS the pinnacle (save for the elitists and their Bentleys/RRs).
Sad that even when they ARE building GREAT product nowadays, the 'fur coat on wheels' status sheeple still refuse to buy them (or even give them a chance).

 

With all of the negativity(Bad news sells) I thought I'd point out a Brighter spot on the Chevrolet front.

Here's a line on the Malibu from Edmunds on a recent ride and drive comparing it against the Camry and Accord. If Chevrolet can do this with the Malibu they can do this with the rest of their line. The Malibu team should be rewarded and used as an example for the other lines!!! On the other hand they could be courted away by competitors!!

"The Honda Accord and the Chevrolet Malibu were much closer to getting my top vote, and I agonized over which would get it. The Malibu was by far the best car to drive from a handling perspective, with the best interior and exterior design of the three. It had plenty of power, the brakes were firm and responsive, but not too "grabby." It really was fun to drive. There was virtually no body roll in a hard corner, and it retained its firm grip. To be fair, it should be noted that the Malibu has a slightly larger tire size than the other two, so that probably contributed to its good cornering. The interior was very attractive, if not a bit retro. I actually own a 2001 Malibu and it is astoundingly clear that GM did its homework on this one. There is no comparison to the old model. This Malibu is entirely new and its fit and finish is just as good, if not better, than Honda or Toyota. If GM can prove that it really has improved quality control in its manufacturing process, if they are using better components and can prove that their cars will be as dependable as Honda's, then based on what I drove on test day, I would pick the Chevy as the winner."

 

^ Nice find, and its true the new Malibu is nothing like those in the past few years.
-Joel

 

So you're a liar, and still insist on trying to demean people who know more than you. Nice.

So tell me, since you're a history major now (lol), which came first, the G-10 or the G-14, and what were the differences?

You'll take a while to respond to that one while you google it. You're such a fraud.


Simple logic eludes you, I know. So why do you keep coming back here after you already told us all that you were done?


There's that issue with logic again. He said that only to show how much of a ***** you are being, not to seek any free pass like you are. (and no matter what you claim to be, your statements tell the real story about you)

 

Lol, your absolutely, positively the most entertaining moron I've ever come across! I love this, so...let's recap!! First I was a democrat, then a liberal, followed by unpatriotic, a socialist, a liar, and now I'm a history major that's apparently also a fraud because I think that the Germans were actually truly our enemies! (Dohhh...what was I thinking! ) This is FANTASTIC!! You need to teach our children everything you know, and do it before it's too late. I once heard that nobody's born a Bigot, but with your help, we can get to them while they're still young!

PS I'll work on the G-10 and G-14 thing, maybe afterwards I'll find out who we were really fighting against...how exciting!!

You ever come to the point when your dealing with someone, where you realize they are such a complete retard that you can't stop but hang around to find out what the next stupid thing they're gonna say is? Well that's where I'm at with you...and it's very VERY entertaining I must admit...I'M HOOKED!!! It's a shame that we ruined this thread in the process.
I don't know what makes you so dumb but it really works!! Keep it up!

 

Back for more... Despite telling us all how you were done, you persist. You just can't let it go. It eats at you every time I respond. Each of your posts gets increasingly shrill, emotional and laden with insults. I wonder how many pages it'll take for you to get bored....

There's that damnable logic trouble rearing it's ugly head again. I'll try to take you by the hand through this -

- You're a liar because you told us all how you were done going 'round and 'round with me over your bullshit, but then you came right back in, and are still here, and will be here for several pages, I'm sure, because you're transparent, you can't let this go, can you?

- If it walks like a duck and quacks like duck, it must be a duck - and you sure quack like a liberal. If you could read for comprehension, you'd see that I said "(the way you twist words and try to change your argument), if you're not actually a democrat, then you're about 3 steps away from becoming one, and they would welcome you with open arms". I know we've already discussed how English syntax isn't your strong point, but try to put in at least a _little_ effort.

- War was declared on Germany, but that is not what you were implying. See the previous point. To break it down for everyone else (since it's another logic problem for you) - you stated that there was no way Americans would drive German cars right after the war.... because we just were at war with them. And that's the trouble - sure we fought in Europe, and it gets all the press these days, but you revealed your total lack of knowledge of history here. The public didn't care about what was going on in Europe, that was their (Europeans) problem. We just spent 2 years in a war we tried to resist and they were right back at each others throats again. But then something changed that.... What do you suppose that might be? An attack perhaps? We went to war because of Japan. And the paranoia of the day showed that THEY were the "hated foe". The Germans were an enemy by default - the enemy of our friends and the friends of our enemy.

Do you know what Einsteins involvement with the war was?

There was a group of American Volunteers in WW1, they were in Europe. Were there any in WW2? If so, where did they go? (and why do you suppose they would have gone _there_?)

We could go from here into - what kicked the Soviet Aerospace industry (and indeed thier technology) into overdrive to reach parity with us (and why it happened)....

[And on a side note, this is classic - - https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....28&postcount=7 ]


You're barking up the wrong tree here. You should probably just let it rest.


Yes, you do that. It never hurts to learn about history. But what you might want to try doing is holding your tongue (or in this case, your fingers) regarding insults about a subject you don't *really* know that much about. Especially _after_ you were forced to admit that due to a challenge.


It is a shame that you've done this, but you don't really think that.

 

Yawn...

I guess you didn't get the message huh? You rekindled my interest in the BS that you type. If you were just opinionated it's one thing, but you actually believe your Bull ****, that's intriguing to me!



I sure hope you aren't a History teacher teaching that **** to our kids! For a country that wasn't our problem but rather enemies of our friends, they sure made it a point to sink 674 American ships and kill 4,707 American Merchant Mariners BEFORE Japan ever attacked Pearl harbor! Hell you know what... Operation Pastorius which also happened BEFORE Japan attacked us, was a **** operation meant to destroy our waterways, railways and supply lines by landing saboteurs into the US, which they succeeded in doing, but were caught by the FBI prior to them accomplishing their mission. They also send U-boats UP into our rivers and Bay's and sunk ships inside our waters... BEFORE japan attacked us. But you know what, if you really think your gonna convince me that America didn't perceive Germany as a foe, and the public didn't care about the war in Europe, than your an idiot.
Keep the BS coming though.

 

lol Thanks for proving me right, yet again. The question is, just how long will you continue to do it?



Nice try here. But the truth is - "and (you) will be here for several pages, I'm sure, because you're transparent, you can't let this go, can you?"

You can't. You won't. You will reply to this, with more insults and more pointless textual crap. It would simply eat you alive to not do so. So, come on, dance for us.



Spending a LOT of time with google, eh? lol Nice, at least it's got you moving in the right direction.

FDR wanted in, but the public did not. They didn't fall for the Lusitania angle this time. The last war, the depression, it was too much, and we just wanted to stay home.

You didn't bother with ANY of the challenges posed to you though. But that isn't surprising, because this isn't about proving anything or debating, it's about your urge to flame. You simply can NOT resist it, can you? Come on, let this drop and never look back... I dare you. We both know better.

But, to answer your question, I don't think I can convince you of anything. You're not interested in learning, nor debating, thus, there is no hope of ever convincing you of anything. I do however hope that somehow, someway, something of the research you'll end up doing will linger in memory, and maybe, eventually when your emotions come back down, it might actually stick and you'll have learned something from this. In the mean time, I'll sit back and watch. At least I know I'll have something to occupy me for the next week or so.... won't I?

 

Somebody needs to this **** up..... it was funny at first, but its going to far.

 

Your resorting to Manipulation?
I'm not interested...if you can't discuss your points than don't make them.

No not Google. I went to a military academy, so I do know what and where to look up useful information, and military history was a big part of our education.
and...
America was rotting in it's depression and the best way to get out of a depression is going to war and jump start the economy. So how do you figure that ONLY FDR wanted into the war and all of America did not?

Ok, challenge accepted convince me that America didn't consider Germany an enemy and we went to war reluctantly!

About your "challenges"...really? Please send your kid on a scavenger hunt, not me. I'm not here to prove myself to you, just on here for entertainment. I'm sure your a wealth of knowledge, some useless and some not, however I'd rather you concentrate on proving your point rather than steering the discussion away from it with games.

 

Yep, as I said. We all know what's going on, that's why you're trying to deflect it with this sort of stuff. The truth is that you simply can't let it go. It would kill you. lol


Oh here we go. lol I'm sure there were a handful of people who wanted in, people like Larry Bell and Glenn Curtis, for example (an assumption, because they would profit from it). But not the mass public and not Congress. Why? FDR couldn't get them to declare war. It's been said that he actually manipulated Japan's oil supply to force them to declare war on us to get us into the war. Whether he did or not, if it is true, they probably went further than he probably thought they would.

But either way, as soon as it happened, there was MASS outcry and an almost instantaneous declaration of war.


lol! Oh that is rich! You've been all about the games (and shrill emotion) from the outset. It's the only reason you're here. And it's the reason that you can't (and won't) let this drop. You'll be here with one obfuscated emotional "response" after another until this thread gets locked.

 

A few thoughts:

1) I don't support companies out of charity, I support them because they make products that I want to buy that provide value. If that product is made in the U.S, great. If not, oh well.

2) I don't think anyone's a racist because of their car selection.

3) There are several people on this forum that have a quasi emotional relationship with GM that I am not quite sure is mutual.

4) I don't think it's fair to criticize anyone for the car they buy. Cars are usually the 2nd largest purchase in your life, and they are financial liabilities. your choice in car should be selected with more then just raw emotion and patriotism.

5) If GM goes under, it's their own fault. End of story. Many of you do not know the entire story of the decades of ineptitude that has plagued GM and other American car companies.

 

1) Neither do many of us. Choose the best American made product you can find.

2) I'm sure there are people who choose cars based on the race of the people making them. Sure, the number is low, but I'm sure it happens.

3) I'll admit I am biased toward GM vehicles. I’ve been employed by GM; I have family members that are currently employed by GM or suppliers. I have had stock in GM. When I think of GM I do think of upper-management and unwise decisions, but I also think of the people I know who earn their livelihood from them. I also am not blinded by poor past decisions when I see promising vehicles coming out as of late.

4) Of course it's fair to criticize people for the cars they buy. A ricer is a ricer.

5) If GM went under, lock stock and barrel, we would be all in a world of hurt. GM's health is a microcosm of America’s health; they support more American jobs than all of the Foreign Automobile manufacturers combined. If we lose any one of the Japanese or German Automobile companies and the consumer diverted their purchase to anyone of the big three, it would have a positive impact on our economy.

 

Agreed and well said!

 

Your contradicting yourself.

Your basically saying to choose the best American product you can find and buy it, even if an import provides better value.
Then you say that there isn't a lot of racism but there is some because some people will buy cars based solely on who makes them.



-YOU will only buy a US car solely because it's built by Americans, and yet if a someone buys a Japanese cars solely because it's built in Japan they are a racist? So at what point do we become racists for buying American cars just because they are american?

No need to worry, GM will never go under, the US government wouldn't let it. Why...for the exact reasons you state.

 

So you truly are completely comfortable with GM (or Ford, or Chrysler) going TOTALLY under, closing it's doors forever and chalking it up to "well, they may their bed now they have to lay in it" with no thoughts, concerns, fears about how it will affect your, your children's, your nation's futures?
The U.S. military puts it's life on the line for our freedom/way of life/national security and you won't even give a little charity (as you call it) to pitch in?

Or are you actually under the belief that the closing of GM's doors will have ZERO affect on any of that? That some of the occupations/livelihoods of people working in even the most remote industries (ie: the small tool and die shop in Georgia that makes a pin that's supplied to a large toolmaker that makes stamping machines for a GM plant in Wisconsin, the diner up the street from said shop, the trucker that delivers raw materials to said shop AND to said diner etc. etc. etc.) are directly or indirectly connected to GM?

You can trivialize/criticize those of us buying out of emotion, patriotism or nationalistic loyalty all you want but if GM closes, YOUR job WILL BE affected by it. End of story.