GM Strikes Back - Corvette ZR1 Laps the 'Ring in 7:26.4
06-27-2008, 04:24 PM
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This is truly great..I hope they handover the car to one of the C6R drivers so we can see what it can really do...I love it that Chevy gave us alot of info regarding the car was stock although is their word(pictures and videos will be best for some people lol) is still great IMO....I guess they saw the controversy ring lap times do lol
06-27-2008, 05:41 PM
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ok i didn't want to tbring the GTR into this, but can we all now agree that the one that ran the ring was a ringer? Honestly it is down more than 100Hp to the ZR1, weighs like a ******* abrams tanks, yet was able to pull off a 7:29. If the ZR1 could accomplish a 7:26, and im sure it will go faster with Jan or Johnny. Then i am for one to call the "stock" GTRs times BS! This might be the last time i speak to you guys, because these comments might get me assasinated.
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06-27-2008, 06:01 PM
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ok i didn't want to tbring the GTR into this, but can we all now agree that the one that ran the ring was a ringer? Honestly it is down more than 100Hp to the ZR1, weighs like a ******* abrams tanks, yet was able to pull off a 7:29. If the ZR1 could accomplish a 7:26, and im sure it will go faster with Jan or Johnny. Then i am for one to call the "stock" GTRs times BS! This might be the last time i speak to you guys, because these comments might get me assasinated.
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Several Ring vets have called the GT-R a 7:50 car after driving it. That's still phenomenally fast for a "480hp" 38XXlb car. Hell that's fast for a 550hp 38XXlb car. Bottom line is the GT-R is awesome, and there was no need for Nissan to falsely inflate it's capabilities. They may have done more harm than good in doing that. It's easily one of the fastest in it's class, and probably THE cheapest in it's class. Comparing it to any Vette was a bad move.
Congrats to Chevy, GM, Vette Team, and the ZR1 program. 
06-27-2008, 07:34 PM
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It's already pretty much unanimous throughout enthusiast communities that the 7:29 time is useless...Nissan skipped 6-8 secs of track to get that time. The 7:38 time is almost believable, if you accept the rumors that Nissan upped the boost from the factory settings and used R-comp tires.
Several Ring vets have called the GT-R a 7:50 car after driving it. That's still phenomenally fast for a "480hp" 38XXlb car. Hell that's fast for a 550hp 38XXlb car. Bottom line is the GT-R is awesome, and there was no need for Nissan to falsely inflate it's capabilities. They may have done more harm than good in doing that. It's easily one of the fastest in it's class, and probably THE cheapest in it's class. Comparing it to any Vette was a bad move.
Several Ring vets have called the GT-R a 7:50 car after driving it. That's still phenomenally fast for a "480hp" 38XXlb car. Hell that's fast for a 550hp 38XXlb car. Bottom line is the GT-R is awesome, and there was no need for Nissan to falsely inflate it's capabilities. They may have done more harm than good in doing that. It's easily one of the fastest in it's class, and probably THE cheapest in it's class. Comparing it to any Vette was a bad move.
I've never heard Nissan try to compare the GTR to a vette. Its generally vette fans/ricers that try to compare the vette to the GTR. I think Nissan was aiming higher with the GTR(Its essentially a reverse engineered 911 turbo).
Im a huge chevrolet fan ,but Im not going to sit around and try to make stuff up on why a car isnt what it is. Nissan is a company from a country that is very well known for taking something great and improving upon it. No need to lie to yourself
06-27-2008, 09:18 PM
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Come on dude, be realistic. If the Z06 was able to run a 7:43 from a standstill, and there is consistent proof of the GTR being faster on several other different tracks through many different reputable publications, then the GTR running a 7:37, 7:32, or even a 7:29 from a rolling start isnt that hard to believe. The car has a DSG transmission and several other electronic aids/enhancements that can eliminate the difference in weight. Go drive a BMW 5/6/7 series with active roll stabilization and tell me electronics cant make a difference. That technology makes a 4500lb 7 series capable of .90g
I've never heard Nissan try to compare the GTR to a vette. Its generally vette fans/ricers that try to compare the vette to the GTR. I think Nissan was aiming higher with the GTR(Its essentially a reverse engineered 911 turbo).
Im a huge chevrolet fan ,but Im not going to sit around and try to make stuff up on why a car isnt what it is. Nissan is a company from a country that is very well known for taking something great and improving upon it. No need to lie to yourself
I've never heard Nissan try to compare the GTR to a vette. Its generally vette fans/ricers that try to compare the vette to the GTR. I think Nissan was aiming higher with the GTR(Its essentially a reverse engineered 911 turbo).
Im a huge chevrolet fan ,but Im not going to sit around and try to make stuff up on why a car isnt what it is. Nissan is a company from a country that is very well known for taking something great and improving upon it. No need to lie to yourself
Bottom line is that we have record of nearly 200 different production cars running the ring. These times give an educated and experienced driver a damn good idea of what a given weight combined with a given hp can do. What people like you don't seem to grasp is that no amount of technology can overcome the basic laws of physics. Tires are getting grippier, sure...but they are still limited by the fact that they are simply pieces of rubber that derive grip from the downward forces applied to them. AWD is still limited by the fact that it only has four places to apply power. Traction control, yaw control, and stabilization algorithms are still limited by the fact that the vehicle they control is a finite and unchanging machine. The day that a car can transform into whatever it's computer system decides is optimum at the time, these things will change. But that day is not today.
The absolute unchanging end all of this argument is that a 38XXlb car with 480-550hp DOES NOT run a 7:29 on the Nurburgring. It just doesn't. No amount of arguing or reasoning is going to change that. You might as well just come to terms with it and move on...most already have.
It looks cool but slows you down so they didn't want to do it.
06-27-2008, 10:06 PM
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Come on dude, be realistic. If the Z06 was able to run a 7:43 from a standstill, and there is consistent proof of the GTR being faster on several other different tracks through many different reputable publications, then the GTR running a 7:37, 7:32, or even a 7:29 from a rolling start isnt that hard to believe. The car has a DSG transmission and several other electronic aids/enhancements that can eliminate the difference in weight. Go drive a BMW 5/6/7 series with active roll stabilization and tell me electronics cant make a difference. That technology makes a 4500lb 7 series capable of .90g
I've never heard Nissan try to compare the GTR to a vette. Its generally vette fans/ricers that try to compare the vette to the GTR. I think Nissan was aiming higher with the GTR(Its essentially a reverse engineered 911 turbo).
Im a huge chevrolet fan ,but Im not going to sit around and try to make stuff up on why a car isnt what it is. Nissan is a company from a country that is very well known for taking something great and improving upon it. No need to lie to yourself
I've never heard Nissan try to compare the GTR to a vette. Its generally vette fans/ricers that try to compare the vette to the GTR. I think Nissan was aiming higher with the GTR(Its essentially a reverse engineered 911 turbo).
Im a huge chevrolet fan ,but Im not going to sit around and try to make stuff up on why a car isnt what it is. Nissan is a company from a country that is very well known for taking something great and improving upon it. No need to lie to yourself
06-27-2008, 11:03 PM
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And it outlapped the Z06... Of course, it was a Z06, not a ZR-1... It would not have done that to a ZR-1. That's for sure!
I'm surprised nobody has brought up the V-Spec yet, though.
I'm surprised nobody has brought up the V-Spec yet, though.
06-28-2008, 12:20 AM
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The treadwear rating on the ZR1 is 220, same as all Corvettes and GMs current standard for the car. By comparison the GT-R has a 140 treadwear rating.
Just found this: Listen about how precisely they did this with the Z06. The screaming clue was in the fact that it took Jan an hour to do only four laps. John Heinricy effectively spells that out in this video on the CTS-V's lap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgfKYeFKK9Y Listen carefully to what he says from 2:26 - 2:57. Pay particular attention to the last 10 seconds of what he says about how much time it would take to do one lap if you were going around the track to come to the start/finish line.
This will put to rest once and for all that the Z did a standing sart and used the WHOLE track just like the V did. You can even see the V backing up to go to the start line.
I guess Jan was right. I posted about 2 weeks agao he said the ZR1 will do the Ring in the 7:2x range.
