The Camaro ran 8:20. 20 Seconds is a huge difference.
The C5 Z06 and C6 Z06 don't even have 20 seconds separating their ring times.

There have been third party tests on the 'ring with the GTR, and none have gotten close to their original 7:38 time.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../71017001/1065
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=1&tID=145737
For comparison, a Z06 by the same magazine:
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=0&tID=129099

 

My fault i thought the Camaro ran a 8:00, and the Cobalt went 8:22 or something like that?

Wow that make the Cobalt all the more impressive.

 

Z06 there is running a 7:49.

GTR there is running a 7:50 on a wet track.

These are independent tests. Cool... And there is no edge (1 sec. difference), so if we didn't have any other tests, no one could say the GTR was faster, the Nissan-run 'Ring test being phony.

But what about the VERY recent third-party tests with production-spec models here in the US by Road and Track? How do we factor those in responsibly?


That little car is ridiculously fast! But I would never own a FWD.

 

The ACR has sick written all over it, and the Cobalt SS is the shocker. I understand what your saying Al, about Porsche trying to do their own test to try and make things look good for them. But im still sitting with Porsche on this one, if without flaws they can't cook up the same times then theres something up. Obviously Nissan can go buy a ZR1 or ACR and say they couldn't make the times either. But everyone knew those cars had the capabilities to pull off their times. Since day one of the gtrs run there have been questions on what they did to make those times, and if an outsider could pull off anything close to what they ran. Who knows everything can be just one giant cluster ****, either way im drinking a beer for Porsche.
-Joel

 

JD AMG, I am sorry I didn't mention you in the coalition, I meant to... from the bottom of my heart

We'll call ourselves the Freedom Fighters against foreign espionage / cheating

 

i'm a Porsche fan (yall have probably reliezed that by now ) so i stick to what ever Porsche says

 

LMAO, we used back channels with a forgein contact (porsche) to find out the truth.
-Joel

 

I think Porsche may have pulled up the curtain on the Nissan backstage, just like you... The 'Ring test showed a HUGE advantage over the Z06 despite what the R&T tests showed to be was really a smaller advantage by contrast.

I just want to know what effect the members here think this has on our estimation of the car's performance... To do that, we should factor in all independent tests... We shouldn't praise this report from Porsche, NOT a third-party, because it's what some want to hear (however true... I also believe it to be true) while we ignore the other independent, third-party tests that have validity of their own. You can't pick only the puzzle pieces you like and expect to complete the puzzle.

I just want to know if people think the R&T tests were bogus too or not... The Top Gear test as well.

 

I'm just showing any nurburgring tests compared to Nissan's own testing. They are all showing the same thing, the GTR wont break into the 7:30s off the show room floor.
I'm not denying the GTR can perform, or saying the Z06 is a better performer. Just going with the original argument, the Nissan tested GTR at the 'ring was a ringer.

 

I am glad to hear that. I think the gtr is an awesome car...but a ******* pig, weight wise. Good to hear the truth.

W

 

Thanks Porsche! Now GM doesn't have to call them out.

 

There's a chance they could have been specially prepped for the press. Unless they were bought from the dealer through normal channels, which is not likely since they were tested so early, they could have gone through more than the normal preparation before being released to the magazines for review.

I haven't seen or heard of it being done to the "extent" that the car would become a world beater, but I have seen vehicles getting prepped before ride and drives by the press that would result in the "best possible" experience from the person reviewing the car.

As far as Porsche is concerned I'm sure they can't stand to see one of our cars, Corvette and Viper beating their European buts around their race track either.

 

I believe I was also part of that group unless we are talking about a different discussion. It doesn't matter though as long as that car is shown to be the poser that it is.

 

Obviously even if it proves the times were all BS it ain't going to change anything. The car will still perform the way it does, and it does fine for how much it weighs. But if all this turns out to be true well then im glad i was one of the people waving the BS flag. The reason i found it to be a lie was the supposed Vspec was running around the 'ring near the time the "standard" gtr made said time. Yeah the more time they spent at the ring the more the times dropped little by little, then the moment the rumored vspec was caught testing you get news of their 729 or whatever it was. Thats reason i have called bullshit, and because it weighs like a abrams.
-Joel

 

no, you certainly were, I'm only remembering names as I see them posted...

you did a fair share of the fighting, and I honor your service to our coalition.

Six men with a common goal, the cause was worth fighting for gentlemen, and dammit, we won.

-2000hawk, blakbird24, LS1LT1, Manalishi, JD AMG, ChaseSS -

*Please note others maybe have contributed to our cause and I apologize for those unknown soldiers...but service shall never be forgotten

 

Its all good man. I just wish Chrissy was here for the entertainment value he would provide. Of course since Unit is Admin now he'd probably only get one post. LOL.

 

I have a feeling hes around somewhere, not sure if he will ever grace us with a post.

Well heres some info i found that is the reason i called bs in the first place:

*April 8, 2008 - Autoblog reports that the rumored vspec had stunned bystanders at the ring by ripping a 7:25, this coming from people on the side of the track. At the time the "standard" gtr was only able to pull off an official 7:38.
Link: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/n...tun-observers/

*April 16,2008 - Nissan tests the "standard" gtr and gets an official 7:29, this coming only 8 days after vspec was said to have run its 7:25. The vspec is rumored to add more carbon fiber, drop 330 pounds of weight, and have about 70hp more than the standard gtr. Got the info on the date and time it ran from wikipedia when searching nurburging lap times.

So heres my question, if Porsches allegations are found to be true, then what are the chances the "standard" gtr was running with an extra 70hp like the vspec on its 7:29 run? This committee will take a short recess untill the proper facts are brought to us showing that said times were run without any tampering.
-Joel

 

In my humble opinion a car that that weighs 330 lbs less and has 70 HP more would lap the ring a bit more than 4 seconds faster. That is an insane amount of weight reduction. The Nissan times are at best questionable and at worst an outright lie. Porsche has called them out, everyone knows they usually under estimate their cars, so the ball is in Nissan's court. I'd love to hear the response but I doubt they will confront Porsche directly.

 

 

I understand what your saying but lets take this into account as well. When Nissan took the gtr for their "endurance" testing they were able to come out with a 7:55, that i believe is 15sec slower than the 911 turbo. Next time it was able to accomplish was the 7:38 that put it well ahead of most of its competition. Then 8 days after the rumored vspec was said to have pulled a 7:25, the standard model runs its 7:29. Now many of the fanboys may say well the ZR1 got faster everytime it touched the track. Thats an understandable argument, thing is though there wasn't a faster corvette running around the track the same time it ran its 7:26. And i know its unfair to say because none of us know what kind of tricks automakers will pull to be the best. All im trying to say is that maybe when they were endurance testing they realized that the less power, and shitload of weight was going to be a major handicap. Im no journalist or automotive specialist, but maybe most of the info i have stated is stuff that even Porsche looked at with a question mark.
-Joel