Terrible gas mileage
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Actually the PCM uses injector pulse width * rpm and takes into account O2 sensor fuel trims to compute consumed fuel. When I fuel up I compare that to the fuel used in the DIC and if it's close I just go by computed average MPG.
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If you change injectors for a H/C swap you can throw the DIC MPG out the window. Way to many variables in the tune for it to be accurate, unless using Greg Banish's data for injectors to keep things in line.
As for the our current gas killing mileage, it does. Our fuels stoich is now around 14.1 instead of 14.7
Logging Fuel trims on a 800 mile trip I was averaging -2 LTFT everywhere, then filled up in NC that had no ethanol in the fuel and trims quickly went to -7LTFT everywhere. Proving you needed less gas than with the E10 fuel were given.
As for the our current gas killing mileage, it does. Our fuels stoich is now around 14.1 instead of 14.7
Logging Fuel trims on a 800 mile trip I was averaging -2 LTFT everywhere, then filled up in NC that had no ethanol in the fuel and trims quickly went to -7LTFT everywhere. Proving you needed less gas than with the E10 fuel were given.
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i have always wondered about this. i understand what your saying, but, when someone fills their tank, THAT'S where things get VERY inaccurate. you could be off by almost gallon depending if you top off, there was a lot of foam which caused the nozzle to click off, too many factors. i personally think that the DIC is more accurate because it has programmed into it how much fuel our cars use at what throttle level. now it may get off when mods are done that increase or decrease the engine efficiency. this is all just my .02, not meant as an argument
I like to use the electronic cpu reading for a good reference and notice it is relatively accurate when you're doing a steady, long drive. As for mpg logs, I rarely compute them since I hardly fill up, although been in a habit of writing my mileage down for the last 20+ years (why, who knows..one of those habit things, I suppose).
So, yeah, no argument here, just have to try and keep your fill-ups as consistent as possible and guess you could use both methods to get a good ballpark mpg.
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^^damn...on my last long distance roadtrip, Abilene, TX to Tracy, CA (1575 miles). i did 75 to 80 most of the way, with a couple pulls to 120. i went through 7000 feet of elevation change and ran with the A/C on 90% of the time. i was averaging 26.5 mpg there and 26.3 back.
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im with you, one time my friends wife saw that i was getting 24mpg hwy and said "wow that's horrible, shouldn't you be getting better than that?" her thinking was that it is a car, and in her mind a car is a car is a car. but i said, nope, this car has a 400hp corvette engine in it. 24mpg is damn good in my mind. i traded in my 2008 TBSS for this car, i went from high 13's to low 13's and from 16mpg hwy to 24mpg hwy. I get to row my own gears AND i now drive a caddy. doesnt get much better for me
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im with you, one time my friends wife saw that i was getting 24mpg hwy and said "wow that's horrible, shouldn't you be getting better than that?" her thinking was that it is a car, and in her mind a car is a car is a car. but i said, nope, this car has a 400hp corvette engine in it. 24mpg is damn good in my mind. i traded in my 2008 TBSS for this car, i went from high 13's to low 13's and from 16mpg hwy to 24mpg hwy. I get to row my own gears AND i now drive a caddy. doesnt get much better for me
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You want better mileage? Put 3.07's back in the rear.
Probably pick up a few on the highway. Maybe a bit more top end too.
Of course, it'll suuuuck off the line.
Unless someone wants to be the guinea pig and change out 5th and 6th gear ratios to taller ones? Not me.
Probably pick up a few on the highway. Maybe a bit more top end too.
Of course, it'll suuuuck off the line.
Unless someone wants to be the guinea pig and change out 5th and 6th gear ratios to taller ones? Not me.
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Finally, I almost always shift below 2k if I'm cruising around town and get up to a higher gear as soon as practical and just try to keep it smooth and steady (acceleration); that helps keep the mileage up there. I haven't gauged how many mpg is pure city, but with 1/2 and 1/2 driving (I do ~80 on highway), I'll usually get 18ish...on long drives, I've gotten avg. 23-24 mpg at around 75 mph and as high as 27, but that was a sustained 65 mph.
One last thing is I believe many of these 'save the earth' blends they give us yield less mpg, apples to apples.
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Even if you're far from stock, the DIC is still good as an indicator (during long trips on the highway) to keep your mileage up via monitoring for as high a figure as possible. Whether it's accurate or not doesn't really matter, it's the relevance that counts.
With all the fuel and air tables tuned for my combo, it's data is still useless for accurate fuel consumption predictions.
With all the fuel and air tables tuned for my combo, it's data is still useless for accurate fuel consumption predictions.
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I changed my oil and installed a K&N air filter. It's gone up to a steady 14.5MPG and the about 85% city driving in about 30 degree weather. K&N air filter is my only mod... if it is even considered one.
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If I'm playing in the city it is below 10mpg. At 60mph I get 30mpg but usually average 15mpg to a tank unless I go on a trip or something. I could tune the car a bit leaner for better gas but like previously stated, I didnt buy this car to get good gas mileage.