SS vs. V
09-14-2011, 08:29 PM
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Yeah they are pretty heavy (real heavy for a "sports coupe") at 3860 lbs (mentioned) for a manual or 3913 lbs for an auto...looks like a 3.27:1 rear for Autos and 3.45:1 for SS manuals and don't know their chassis dynamics, but I'd say stock to stock, the manual SS should have a slight theoretical edge to the V but bet it would be close in real life; if it's an auto, then the V should have no problem beating one (not gonna be a "wasting on", but a clear winner).
Since you have mods and bet are pretty familiar with your car, I see no problem at all...But, when $$$ comes into the equation, then you have to really take a look at his to make sure he's not hiding something...why not just run for fun?
Since you have mods and bet are pretty familiar with your car, I see no problem at all...But, when $$$ comes into the equation, then you have to really take a look at his to make sure he's not hiding something...why not just run for fun?
And also all his friends though they knew so much about engines bla bla bla. I dont know much; and i'm not gonna claim I do. But these guys were just retarded
09-15-2011, 07:55 AM
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09-15-2011, 01:29 PM
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Sorry the manual 6s make more like 365-375. The l99s obviously make less around 345/350. I'm not sure about the newer 2012s autos But a tune on the l99 makes a world of dIfference. I dont even see how the OP could lose from a dig if his car is cam/tuned.
09-16-2011, 09:24 AM
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09-16-2011, 10:42 AM
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and i didnt say he would lose, i said the Camaro would get the jump.
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09-16-2011, 08:02 PM
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I'm not saying they do make 370 rwhp, but remember GM has underrated their engines more than not and so I could see some of them (not all) making close to that with a manual...15% is pretty normal for an efficient drivetrain (like a manual) using good fluids and not being worn too bad and also depends on the dyno too, of course...Besides, that is such a general rule of thumb that really stops meaning anything after you start changing the engine dynamics of same vehicles (I know that's not the case, just saying)
I just can't believe how damn (overpriced) expensive those camaros are, as well as the challengers and stuff...Like to know who's all being able to buy these $40k+ cars (that are target audience)? Chit, I'm having a hard time justifying paying out $30k, lol, and would make me sick to spend that sort of cash to have it worth about $15k in a couple years.
I just can't believe how damn (overpriced) expensive those camaros are, as well as the challengers and stuff...Like to know who's all being able to buy these $40k+ cars (that are target audience)? Chit, I'm having a hard time justifying paying out $30k, lol, and would make me sick to spend that sort of cash to have it worth about $15k in a couple years.
09-17-2011, 04:02 AM
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I'm not saying they do make 370 rwhp, but remember GM has underrated their engines more than not and so I could see some of them (not all) making close to that with a manual...15% is pretty normal for an efficient drivetrain (like a manual) using good fluids and not being worn too bad and also depends on the dyno too, of course...Besides, that is such a general rule of thumb that really stops meaning anything after you start changing the engine dynamics of same vehicles (I know that's not the case, just saying)
The way I look at it, comparing your Dyno numbers is like comparing dick sizes. One, you're gay for doing it, and two, who gives a **** if you don't/cant use it...
09-17-2011, 02:25 PM
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LOL, yeah on the dynos...One thing I've noticed on GM engines especially is they really start coming alive after being broken in, so maybe that has to do with higher numbers, who knows. Regardless of what they are putting out on the dyno though, they don't seem to be quite as good performance (stock) as they are cracked up to be. The nice thing though is those engines (as well as ours and other LS') can really be woken up relatively easily! Just a shame there is so much weight you have to deal with these days (not just the camaro, but I was amazed to see the curb weights of various vehicles, including cracker box imports!)...
Not sure their testing process (like if they pick one out at random or the manfucturer gives them one) anymore, but I wouldn't say they are way underrated like some in the past...Starting in 1972 they started giving 'net' figures with all accessories and such (vs. gross, engine only and there was a pretty large rated drop in nearly identical engines 71 to 72, but also that is when they started really getting choked shortly after) and IIRC they changed the testing method again more recently...
Not sure their testing process (like if they pick one out at random or the manfucturer gives them one) anymore, but I wouldn't say they are way underrated like some in the past...Starting in 1972 they started giving 'net' figures with all accessories and such (vs. gross, engine only and there was a pretty large rated drop in nearly identical engines 71 to 72, but also that is when they started really getting choked shortly after) and IIRC they changed the testing method again more recently...