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Old 08-06-2012, 04:23 PM
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I had seen that article but that is a different location(before filter and not directly attached to the main tubing) and slightly different sensor than what you used. I am looking into this mod like the concept but some quick compares with a obd sensor would seal it.
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Originally Posted by garrettg
I had seen that article but that is a different location(before filter and not directly attached to the main tubing) and slightly different sensor than what you used. I am looking into this mod like the concept but some quick compares with a obd sensor would seal it.
It's finals week. I'll gather data next week.
Old 08-06-2012, 08:57 PM
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cool no problem
I drove a low 200hp(crank) pony car in college how things have changed in 10 years...
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How much is timing retarded or A/F adjusted per degree?
Old 08-07-2012, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 9t8z28
How much is timing retarded or A/F adjusted per degree?
I believe there are IAT tables that the computer uses to adjust timing based on your IAT reading. I don't know how the base CTS-V is programmed but i also assume it may not be a linear function.
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And for what it's worth, a good rule of thumb is that you gain or lose 2-3 HP per degree of advance or retard in a LSx engine.
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Seems like a good investment then,can this be thrown together on a stock car/ecu setup or does it need a tune?
Mainly because the IAT sensor talks about a different ecu setup on that page.
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Originally Posted by jsnm
Seems like a good investment then,can this be thrown together on a stock car/ecu setup or does it need a tune?
Mainly because the IAT sensor talks about a different ecu setup on that page.
I think that that article provided the Omega thermistor impedance table just in case your particular ECU lookup table needed to be corrected. I did not utilize the Omega thermistor, because the one in the kit I purchased already is a GM-sanctioned upgrade from stock. I judged the minor, additional increase in IAT sensor responsiveness not worth the uncertainty regarding temperature accuracy.
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Ahhh okay,so if i did the relocate on my stock ecu I shouldnt have an issue then?
Im planning on doing long tubes,exhaust and a tune in the near future,but I would like to get this out of the way before the tune as well.
I like your IAT setup,looks great!
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Originally Posted by jsnm
Ahhh okay,so if i did the relocate on my stock ecu I shouldnt have an issue then?
Im planning on doing long tubes,exhaust and a tune in the near future,but I would like to get this out of the way before the tune as well.
I like your IAT setup,looks great!
I hope you don't relocate your ECU!

You won't need to retune the car for an IAT sensor relocation, unless you rip out the provided sensor with something like the Omega thermistor, which has a significantly different inpedance.
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Do I need to pigtail or does the casper harness have the correct end and I just buy the sensor ?
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Originally Posted by jmargo
Do I need to pigtail or does the casper harness have the correct end and I just buy the sensor ?
It's plug and play, except for drilling the hole for the new sensor, if you buy the three parts that I bought. Here they are again:

http://www.casperselectronics.com/st...oducts_id=1108

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/g...91f8288b277550

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/3...91f8288b277550
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OK. I bought this one without the pigtail.

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/g...91f8288b277550
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Originally Posted by jmargo
OK. I bought this one without the pigtail.

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/g...91f8288b277550
That should be perfectly fine.
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I just wanted to jump in and say thanks to Fuzzy, va mike and others for the info on here. While tuning my car for my recent cam install, my tuner also noted the IAT sensor was getting massive heatsoak, so I just purchased the parts for the IAT relocate, as identified in this thread. I went with the following from Summit:

Casper electronics wiring harness: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cei-108136

IAT sensor for a 98 Camaro: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/smp-ax32

Just like VA mike, I plan to zip tie this badboy somewhere in the airbox.
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Do these same parts work on an LS6? Is the stock IAT sensor part of the MAF, is that why the pig tail happens on the MAF harness?

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Reviving an old tread...someone shoot me...

Fuzzy, can you re-post the pictures of your setup with this? When we tuned my car we realized the MAF was giving a steady reading of -40* F, but reading flows right. Going to go ahead and give this a try instead of spending the cash for a new MAF.
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Originally Posted by tlorenzen
Reviving an old tread...someone shoot me...

Fuzzy, can you re-post the pictures of your setup with this? When we tuned my car we realized the MAF was giving a steady reading of -40* F, but reading flows right. Going to go ahead and give this a try instead of spending the cash for a new MAF.
Unfortunately, this was the most useful picture from back in 2012:

IAT Relocate - Parts?-8o6fkw8.jpg

I've since thrown away the Lingenfelter intake in favor of my own design, which involves cutting a 4.0" diameter hole for an AMSOIL EAAU6080, pre-filter, and Spectre velocity stack in the wheel well.

But the short answer is that this is a very simple mod. All you have to do is buy the right three parts, drill a hole in a flat spot either in the filter or in the intake tube, poke the sensor in there, and use the 3/8" bung to fasten it.
  • The Casper IAT breakout harness hooks into the stock connector, the MAF, and the external open-air sensor. It's wired such that the MAF temperature sensor is bypassed and the external sensor is read by the ECU.
  • The GM open-air IAT sensor has less thermal mass than the closed sensor design, so it responds faster. They sell it with and without an extra connector that you can wire; you don't need it, but I think it's worth the extra $2 to have it just in case you need it for some other project later.
  • The 3/8" stainless bung mates with the threads on the GM IAT sensor. They also sell it in aluminum, but I prefer stainless. I'd buy at least two of these, because if you experiment with intakes, you'll eventually want another one.
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Thanks man. That picture is good enough for me. I was just curious as to where exactly you set it up. Got the parts ordered and will plan on doing this mod next weekend if they all show up in time.
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Originally Posted by tlorenzen
Thanks man. That picture is good enough for me. I was just curious as to where exactly you set it up. Got the parts ordered and will plan on doing this mod next weekend if they all show up in time.
If you have the Lingenfelter intake, I suggest you drill the hole for the sensor as far toward the outside of the filter as possible. I put mine right in the center, and the plastic electrical connection (the part sticking out from the brass wrench end) was jammed tight against the plastic isolating "bucket" that separates hot engine air from the colder air the filter can draw from.



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