E Force Stage II - Cam and Heads
06-16-2013, 06:29 PM
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Now the bad...I was about 5 miles from home, going around an exit ramp and the rear locked up a few times in sixth gear. I put the clutch in, tried unsuccessfully to get it back into gear, and then finally was able to get into third. I limped it home with the trans making a horrible (expensive) noise. Stand by for carnage pics....
06-16-2013, 08:48 PM
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Well, having already spent $800 on syncro's, billet keys, etc., I'm going to try and stick it out with the T56. I have a lead on a TR6060 from a Camaro but I have no idea if it will fit as the bellhousing a is a little longer.
As long as there isn't over $1200 in parts required for the T56 I'll be fine. Everyone discredits the T56, however they are plenty strong and a little more forgiving than the TR6060's...esp when you miss a shift.
The factory units may be rated at 450 lbs, however with minimal aftermarket parts like keys, springs, stronger synchro's, tightening up the end play, etc they routinely handle twice that amount. This is not unlike a 4L80 which also routinely handle well over twice their factory ratings with minimal parts.
Fact of the matter is, the early 04's (which I have) had numerous problems with sixth gear and there was a TSB to replace the entire trans under warranty. The fact that it went 8 years before it let go (and didn't leave me stranded) is pretty spectacular IMO. **** breaks...it happens. The reason I have owned GM vehicles exclusively for many years is that even when they break, not one has ever left me stranded.
I'll get her apart this week and see what needs to be ordered. I have most of the stuff on hand so hopefully this won't be too long being apart.
As long as there isn't over $1200 in parts required for the T56 I'll be fine. Everyone discredits the T56, however they are plenty strong and a little more forgiving than the TR6060's...esp when you miss a shift.
The factory units may be rated at 450 lbs, however with minimal aftermarket parts like keys, springs, stronger synchro's, tightening up the end play, etc they routinely handle twice that amount. This is not unlike a 4L80 which also routinely handle well over twice their factory ratings with minimal parts.
Fact of the matter is, the early 04's (which I have) had numerous problems with sixth gear and there was a TSB to replace the entire trans under warranty. The fact that it went 8 years before it let go (and didn't leave me stranded) is pretty spectacular IMO. **** breaks...it happens. The reason I have owned GM vehicles exclusively for many years is that even when they break, not one has ever left me stranded.
I'll get her apart this week and see what needs to be ordered. I have most of the stuff on hand so hopefully this won't be too long being apart.
06-16-2013, 08:51 PM
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06-17-2013, 11:20 AM
#24
Now the bad...I was about 5 miles from home, going around an exit ramp and the rear locked up a few times in sixth gear. I put the clutch in, tried unsuccessfully to get it back into gear, and then finally was able to get into third. I limped it home with the trans making a horrible (expensive) noise. Stand by for carnage pics....
Sorry to hear that. I am worried about the tranny and the rear end on mine as well.
Sorry to hear that. I am worried about the tranny and the rear end on mine as well.
06-17-2013, 12:50 PM
#26
Time for a TR6060 or Magnum T56, which are both good for 700 ft-lbs. thought Tick Level II was the only way...
DMM, always an adventure... Funny how some with 700+rwhp seem to get away with an untouched T-56....
06-17-2013, 06:55 PM
#27
Well, having already spent $800 on syncro's, billet keys, etc., I'm going to try and stick it out with the T56. I have a lead on a TR6060 from a Camaro but I have no idea if it will fit as the bellhousing a is a little longer.
As long as there isn't over $1200 in parts required for the T56 I'll be fine. Everyone discredits the T56, however they are plenty strong and a little more forgiving than the TR6060's...esp when you miss a shift.
The factory units may be rated at 450 lbs, however with minimal aftermarket parts like keys, springs, stronger synchro's, tightening up the end play, etc they routinely handle twice that amount. This is not unlike a 4L80 which also routinely handle well over twice their factory ratings with minimal parts.
Fact of the matter is, the early 04's (which I have) had numerous problems with sixth gear and there was a TSB to replace the entire trans under warranty. The fact that it went 8 years before it let go (and didn't leave me stranded) is pretty spectacular IMO. **** breaks...it happens. The reason I have owned GM vehicles exclusively for many years is that even when they break, not one has ever left me stranded.
I'll get her apart this week and see what needs to be ordered. I have most of the stuff on hand so hopefully this won't be too long being apart.
As long as there isn't over $1200 in parts required for the T56 I'll be fine. Everyone discredits the T56, however they are plenty strong and a little more forgiving than the TR6060's...esp when you miss a shift.
The factory units may be rated at 450 lbs, however with minimal aftermarket parts like keys, springs, stronger synchro's, tightening up the end play, etc they routinely handle twice that amount. This is not unlike a 4L80 which also routinely handle well over twice their factory ratings with minimal parts.
Fact of the matter is, the early 04's (which I have) had numerous problems with sixth gear and there was a TSB to replace the entire trans under warranty. The fact that it went 8 years before it let go (and didn't leave me stranded) is pretty spectacular IMO. **** breaks...it happens. The reason I have owned GM vehicles exclusively for many years is that even when they break, not one has ever left me stranded.
I'll get her apart this week and see what needs to be ordered. I have most of the stuff on hand so hopefully this won't be too long being apart.
06-17-2013, 08:42 PM
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Anyhow, I got it out and on the bench tonight...which I should have done long ago. After I installed the 8.8" kit I noticed a pretty bad groan when lugging the engine in the 1500-1700 RPM range (worse in third and fourth), I should have pulled the trans then. The input shaft bearing is nearly gone and this thing has a ton of lash that it should not.
I got as far as pulling the rear cover, exposing 5th/6th gear (which are perfectly fine) and the magnets. Lots of metal on the magnets...and a piece of what looks like a retainer spring that was ground up with little pieces of teeth most likely from 3-4 gears...bearings don't look too good either. Note that this piece would have been replaced if I had gotten off my *** and rebuilt this thing way back when I got the parts...just adds insult to injury. Not a whole lot to see, but here it is:
With all this, I am seriously considering just sending it to Tick and let them do the rebuild with new bearings and the parts I already purchased. Joey said they can do the remaining upgrades (such as cryo treatment and micro polishing the gears) to make their Level II 700 ft lb capable unit although it would not have the same warranty since I am sending hard parts. Joey worked up a quick quote and price wise I am right there at the same price they advertise before whatever other parts are now required.
06-18-2013, 02:56 AM
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I was looking at that tick t56 for mine. I am noticing a little whine in the trans. I can BARELY hear it over the exhaust. Same sound I had when I wore out a bearing before. Seems like their T56 stuff is really reasonably priced. Like 1800 shipped both ways I was shocked. That's cheap insurance in my opinion. If only it was that easy to fix the rear end.
DMM this magnets are covered but I didn't really see any gnarled gears or anything. I am just looking at it on my phone and its a little small to tell on it. But from the symptoms you described I kind of assumed you were going to have all sorts of gravel tossing around in there. Kind of imagined it to be much worse... Hell if Boris Said was driving that thing he would have finished a 24 hour race thrashing it the whole way haha.
DMM this magnets are covered but I didn't really see any gnarled gears or anything. I am just looking at it on my phone and its a little small to tell on it. But from the symptoms you described I kind of assumed you were going to have all sorts of gravel tossing around in there. Kind of imagined it to be much worse... Hell if Boris Said was driving that thing he would have finished a 24 hour race thrashing it the whole way haha.
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01-14-2014, 06:33 AM
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Not to necro an old thread, but im looking at doing this too. Have you started your build ry? talking to my tuner (who happens to own a maggie ctsv) he keeps telling me how well the 243s flow. And how with a good port job they out perform many aftermarket heads. He says I should have advanced inductions (am I aloud to say that?) Port them and enlarge the chambers. Then use flat top pistons with valve reliefs. Long story short.
01-14-2014, 11:49 PM
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Not to necro an old thread, but im looking at doing this too. Have you started your build ry? talking to my tuner (who happens to own a maggie ctsv) he keeps telling me how well the 243s flow. And how with a good port job they out perform many aftermarket heads. He says I should have advanced inductions (am I aloud to say that?) Port them and enlarge the chambers. Then use flat top pistons with valve reliefs. Long story short.
