Feal Coilovers
09-26-2014, 12:48 AM
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Feal Coilovers Just ran across these while looking at having them rebuild and upgrade my DSM coilovers. Has anyone ran these on their CTS-V before? I did a little search but came up completely empty. Surely someone has ran these if they have them on their site. They even have a 2006 CTS-V for sale, guess it was the car they tested them with.
http://rallyracingsuspension.com/MuscleCar.php
http://rallyracingsuspension.com/MuscleCar.php
09-26-2014, 07:48 AM
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Wasn't aware they made anything for these cars. They seem have a very good reputation in the Subaru community from what I've seen over the past few years on the Subaru forums.
09-26-2014, 07:49 AM
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no crap, that's awesome. feal makes a great product. makes me rethink my kw v3 thoughts pretty heavily.
have you messaged them and seen what they say about them?
edit: messaging odi now. i really want to know more about these...
have you messaged them and seen what they say about them?
edit: messaging odi now. i really want to know more about these...
09-26-2014, 12:30 PM
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The biggest downside of the KW Variant 3 is that its MSRP approaches cheaper triple adjustable shocks (i.e.: shocks having independently adjustable low speed compression and rebound valving and single-adjustable high-speed valving). However, for those of you that have been following my suspension thread, you already know that the KW Variant 3 is sold by the North American branch of KW, Belltech, for $1750 under P/N 21060. Of course, the total cost of ownership is closer to $2200 when you add a full set of Swift springs and Banski RSMs, but such is life.
09-26-2014, 01:18 PM
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Options are always good. And for some people that just want a nice set of suspenders for the street a single adjustable is fine. If you start tracking the car and pushing it a little, they will probably still be fine. Now if you start running an r compound or a slick, and you are pushing it really hard, then yea, you might be faster with a set of shocks you can dial in the extra little bit having an extra couple adjustments. But $1300ish its seems like a good deal for most users out there.
09-26-2014, 01:20 PM
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Options are always good. And for some people that just want a nice set of suspenders for the street a single adjustable is fine. If you start tracking the far and pushing it a little, they will probably still be fine. Now if you start running an r compound or a slick, and you are pushing it really hard, then yea, you might be faster with a set of shocks you can dial in the extra little bit having an extra couple adjustments. But $1300ish its seems like a good deal for most users out there.
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09-26-2014, 01:47 PM
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A single-adjustable set of coilovers for $1350 vs a set of dual adjustable coilovers for $1750? You'd have to be crazy to consider the former option--single adjustable coilover kits might as well be non-adjustable.
The biggest downside of the KW Variant 3 is that its MSRP approaches cheaper triple adjustable shocks (i.e.: shocks having independently adjustable low speed compression and rebound valving and single-adjustable high-speed valving). However, for those of you that have been following my suspension thread, you already know that the KW Variant 3 is sold by the North American branch of KW, Belltech, for $1750 under P/N 21060. Of course, the total cost of ownership is closer to $2200 when you add a full set of Swift springs and Banski RSMs, but such is life.
The biggest downside of the KW Variant 3 is that its MSRP approaches cheaper triple adjustable shocks (i.e.: shocks having independently adjustable low speed compression and rebound valving and single-adjustable high-speed valving). However, for those of you that have been following my suspension thread, you already know that the KW Variant 3 is sold by the North American branch of KW, Belltech, for $1750 under P/N 21060. Of course, the total cost of ownership is closer to $2200 when you add a full set of Swift springs and Banski RSMs, but such is life.
2) the feal are a JDM style coil where you don't lose strut travel the lower you go, much like D2 and ksport.
3) feal comes with swift springs and is specifically valved for the application.
therefore the KW V3, although might be a "superior product" would not only cost me more in the end, but they wouldn't get me what i want: a coilover that can perform and actually go low. i'm sure these will do me just fine on a car i daily drive and never intend to track in any form, ever.
09-26-2014, 02:20 PM
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For your own sake, you'd better run the math and check that the Feal spring rates and valving ratios are configured correctly, because you can't change them yourself. If prior V1 platform experience is anything to go on, it's far more likely that they're incorrect than correct.
Remember: with suspension, you almost always get what you pay for. Also, it's ALWAYS cheaper to buy a little more shock than you need then buy cheap and have to upgrade later. I already went down that road with the Ground Control kit in 2011-2012--spent $3500 trying to overcome its inherent shortcomings, which would have bought TWO KW Variant 3 packages. I lost a ton of money and time trying to save a little money. Try to benefit from my pain.
Remember: with suspension, you almost always get what you pay for. Also, it's ALWAYS cheaper to buy a little more shock than you need then buy cheap and have to upgrade later. I already went down that road with the Ground Control kit in 2011-2012--spent $3500 trying to overcome its inherent shortcomings, which would have bought TWO KW Variant 3 packages. I lost a ton of money and time trying to save a little money. Try to benefit from my pain.
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09-26-2014, 02:40 PM
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they're currently selling a CTS-V with their suspension on it that i assume they used to develop their coilover kit. you can safely assume they weren't just guessing.
also, odi will most likely not care about swapping to whatever spring rates i want and valving accordingly. per the site they come with 12k/12k, which if the rear is setup as a true coilover that might seem to make some sense as to why those rates were picked.
like i said, i already emailed them to get some more information on it. i'm not diving into this blindly, but i do trust feal suspension. they don't do one size fits all setups.
also, odi will most likely not care about swapping to whatever spring rates i want and valving accordingly. per the site they come with 12k/12k, which if the rear is setup as a true coilover that might seem to make some sense as to why those rates were picked.
like i said, i already emailed them to get some more information on it. i'm not diving into this blindly, but i do trust feal suspension. they don't do one size fits all setups.
09-26-2014, 02:55 PM
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Ground Control, Eibach, K-Sport, and KW all had CTS-Vs to design their products on, and all of these companies screwed up, due to one thing or another.
Last edited by FuzzyLog1c; 09-26-2014 at 03:04 PM.
09-26-2014, 03:09 PM
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But for appearance alone, 1350 vs 2200 is quite a jump. People run 'inferior' suspensions on 85% of vehicles on the road. (Disclaimer: stats purely made up for point of discussion. Actual numbers could vary widely. )
09-26-2014, 03:28 PM
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i would put the feals a step or two above the D2 and ksport because they come with swift springs and they're valved appropriately.
are they a stainless body, double adjustable coilover? nope.
are they a stainless body, double adjustable coilover? nope.
09-29-2014, 09:32 PM
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to keep this rolling, i got a response from feal:
i'm going to keep digging and see where it goes. obviously if he can no longer source the parts then the next best option is to buy either D2 or ksport and send them off to him for a revalve job and to swap out to some swift springs.
When I owned a CTS-V I made this kit for myself. We have since stop purchasing the parts for this specific kit since the demand was nonexistent.
I would have to check with our current supplier if we can get the appropriate parts to make more kits.
We can build a kit with any spring rate and valving to match. I used the factory rear spring location with a metric 65mm race spring and ride height adjuster collar. I can also make a true coilover, but I’m not sure the shock tower can handle the force.
The specs on the damper would be the same as all of our other Feal 441 coilovers (listed on our site).
I would have to check with our current supplier if we can get the appropriate parts to make more kits.
We can build a kit with any spring rate and valving to match. I used the factory rear spring location with a metric 65mm race spring and ride height adjuster collar. I can also make a true coilover, but I’m not sure the shock tower can handle the force.
The specs on the damper would be the same as all of our other Feal 441 coilovers (listed on our site).
09-30-2014, 07:42 AM
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you trying to sway me into going that direction with the rear or attempting to correct grammar?
if you're telling me to go with the spring mounted on the shock in the rear, why? i haven't been able to convince myself of the benefit to doing it. adding the spring will just add to the inboard clearance issues for bigger wheels/tires, too.
if you're telling me to go with the spring mounted on the shock in the rear, why? i haven't been able to convince myself of the benefit to doing it. adding the spring will just add to the inboard clearance issues for bigger wheels/tires, too.
09-30-2014, 10:35 AM
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to keep this rolling, i got a response from feal:
i'm going to keep digging and see where it goes. obviously if he can no longer source the parts then the next best option is to buy either D2 or ksport and send them off to him for a revalve job and to swap out to some swift springs.
i'm going to keep digging and see where it goes. obviously if he can no longer source the parts then the next best option is to buy either D2 or ksport and send them off to him for a revalve job and to swap out to some swift springs.
10-03-2014, 04:54 PM
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