McRat

Someone REALLY needs to datalog a stock CTS during a dyno session.
Check timing!!! On a stock Z06, it will pull a lot of timing on the dyno due to the design of the MAFS/IATS .

If in fact your timing is being pulled (stock Z06 = 22 deg WOT), ice the MAF prior to the pulls or LS1Edit.

Our Z06 dyno'd 358rwhp stock fresh, which is pretty typical DynoJet numbers. After eliminating the false IAT readings, it hit 369rwhp.

If in fact it has the same engine timing and injection, you should see some mid 350's.

TPiS

we have dynoed both the cts-v and a c5 spec ls-6 using our dyno header and air tubine they are within 5 hp and 5 lb. feet

myron c. tpis

2000Hawk

iTrader: (5)

sad to see that some V's are dynoing in the same presence as some F-Body's. i would have a lawsuit to scare GM cause i don't know the actual price for a V but when you expect 405hp and get 365 i would go out and raise some hell.

StealthV

Read Myron's quote one more time...

vettedriver32

iTrader: (3)

the ctsc makes about 15 less HP to the rear wheels than the corvette. Major difference is the heavier dual mass clutch in the ctsv which was probably installed to satisfy cadillac drivers deires for smoother shifts with the manual...

We have documented test results on our chassis dyno. I would not waste my time trying to scare GM...

2000Hawk

iTrader: (5)

i still find it a bunch of BS if you buy a car expecting a rated HP and it does not meet those requirements then they have to do something. if its rated at a certain amount of horsepower and you get less then there must be something wrong look at the old Mustang Cobras, Ford had to change all sorts of crap just to get the 320 rated horepower they through to the customers.

z28nbr1fan

To make a short story shorter.....I walked on some A-Hole driving one of these the other day. He was driving really aggressive before he decided he wanted to race me. Anyway, from about 35 mph I pulled on him all the way through 2nd and he gave up after I had about a car length on him. It has a 400 HP LS6 v. my 330 LS1........but it can't get the juice to the wheels. I am really not impressed. Buy this car if you want to get walked on by a six year old Z. (Est. Value of 98 Z - $10,000USD v. CTS-V - $50,000+USD)

ctsvett

Where were you?

Reed
http://www.cadillacfaq.com

ssmith100

Or buy this car if you don't want to drive a 330hp rattle trap that everyone in the world owns. There is a slight weight difference between these cars also.
I've owned 4 different F-bodies and in no way shape or form can you compare them to the CTSV. The F-body may be as fast or faster than the Cad but no comparison as far as quality of construction and noise. I will also say this. I've had a few run ins with a couple of Vettes and F-bodies myself and have yet have one pull on me above 40 mph. As always, driver means alot. I'll take my $50,000 CAd any day.

S

GrooveCityCTS-V

Bump that!

and if your not happy with the performance do some reading on here spend some $$$ and give it some more HP!!!

z28nbr1fan

CTS-V v. 98 Z

Interior & Exterior Design - Hands down a win for the Caddy.
Handling - .................win for the Caddy.
Horsepower - .............win for the Caddy.
Torque - ...................win for the Caddy.

and yes you can compare them.....my Z does rattle, lots of plastic....your car has a better overall contour, construction, better brakes, larger engine, etc.....blah blah blah...but my 10K dollar car is 6 yrs old.

The CTS-V ultimately fails to put the massive LS6 power to the ground. As far as your racing experience with f-body's and corvette's go, we have no idea what you had to do to your 50+K machine to not have the over populated LS1 f-bodies and corvette's passing you up. The bottom line is this car does not provide silly fast speed given it's fantastic engine's specs. Cadillac dupes drivers into thinking they are getting more horsepower for the buck.

Sounds like you must be a pretty good driver if you are really pulling on the bad driver F-bodys and vettes. By the way, I have a modded 2004 LS1 corvette if you really feel the need to race a vette from a 40 mph start. I will be posting this on the corvette forum so we can hear what the vette owners have to say about your 40 mph launches. And yes, I am calling you out. Coming to New Orleans anytime soon. Bring your money too, because I'm going Sizzler.

StealthV

Stock C5 Vettes are easy to kill with a stock V. From a stop or a roll. Been there, done that. Give me something more challenging like the neighbor's Viper which I'm going to run after my B&B goes on this week.

As far as Camaros? I have A Z28 in the garage - all the usual bolt on goodies, T-56, Moser 12 bolt, 3.73s, blah, blah, blah. It put down 321 RWHP last time out. LOL, it's like driving a Cavalier after being in the V. LS6 power is sooooo much better and keeps pulling so much longer. Let alone the superior handling and the braking ability of the V.

My stock V pulled 341 RWHP on the dyno at 2100 miles on the clock. Do the math, it is actually over 400 hp. Logging the V during the 5 dyno pulls with EFILive, it lost almost 20 horsepower in the hour it was on the dyno as the engine got heat soaked. The heat caused the spark map to drop off the high octane table.

Wish you non-V owners would go **** and moan about wheel hop or something else that is real instead of ruining the resale value of our Vs over this b.s. lack of power subject which you know nothing about from first hand experience. The power is there. Or maybe I got one of those media ringer cars eh?

Razinhell

I understand the V owners who are pissed and maybe they should be. On Ls1gto.com our various members are hitting 290-315hp numbers on the dyno. The being the Automatic and Manual. I expect a specific amount of leeching due to the drive train and various other factors. But I would stop comparing it with other vehicles. The GTO isn't the same as the CTS-V, it might has similar parts, but it isn't exactly the same and has different weights and bells and whistles that affect its performance. Compare it to other CTS-V's only you cant make an argument that one car is making more power then the CTS-V this won't help your cause. You have to show that all CTS-V's are putting out **** poor numbers as compared to GM's advertised numbers.

Would you say that this is similar to the 03-04 Cobra owners who have a wide range of dynos. Ls1gto.com (DevilYellow) owner is a dyno specialist and he said he consistently has seen 350-380hp on the dynos for Cobras. Should the Cobra owner with the 350 rwhp sue because another car of the same year is hitting 380rwhp? The excuse will be all cars no matter how much the same are different.

Backing up your cause: I would say its BS not to get a lawsuit if it turns out the CTS-V is not making anywhere near the power it advertises. I wouldn't look for money, i would look for a recall to fix the problem. Someone said that this would hurt GM more then help us for the future. Bull they deal with this crap everyday at least this would be a legitamate reason. The other reason is that this is a performance version of the CTS. The whole point of it being sold is because it is 400hp and has all the performance parts in it. If its not performing why buy it. I'd be real pissed if i bought a car that says 400hp and it gets just as much as the 350hp cars do. Wait its getting the same hp as the 02 Fbodys which were all above 300hp for the most.

JBsC5

Recently I read that the Z06 Corvette could have been rid of the often mentioned "chatter" of the clutch in various usage scenerios..that would have given a higher quality feel by just going with a dual disc or maybe it was a slightly different terminology..but it would have cost .2ths in the zero to 60mph sprint..

Maybe..and I am just guessing...GM gave the more luxurious CTS V series a different clutch plate as was mentioned above to meet the needs and expectations of a more luxury oriented CTS V series buyer?

Maybe thats the slight difference in performance and "dyno " numbers..

My suggestion for what its worth is pay little heed to "dyno" numbers...as they are best left to bench racers who can't fathom the possible variances that exist in simulated testing such as this.

I believe the CTS V series to be an amazing vehicle.

JMO

ssmith100

"Silly fast speed"..........Hum............a 3900 pound car that runs 13.2 to 13.4 for stock, runs 163 mph top speed (had mine to 158mph) will carry 5 people comfortably, and never get a second look on the freeway from your local DPS and cost less than $50,000. I would much rather have a C5 350hp vette than one of these. Please..... To each there own (I was going to buy a C6) If I had wanted a 12 second two-seater car than I would have bought the C6. Also, I don't think Cadillac is duping anybody. The last time I looked GM built Chevrolet, Cadillac, Pontiac.....so.....GM must be duping us. I also said and I quote "I have yet to have a f-body or vette pull on me from 40 mph, not me pulling on them". Calling me out, huh...... that's quite funny. Exactly what would that prove. That your modded and lighter car is faster than mine, I'm sure it is. But if we're going to bring two totally different cars in to the picture, I gaurantee you I can bring something down there that is faster than your car. Remember the old saying "there's always someone faster". The POINT is I didn't buy my V to be a track, street or road racing car. I bought it to drive 120 miles round trip 5 days a week. Am I upset that it may only make 320 to 330 at the rear wheels, NO. Am I upset that a $10,000 f-body or a now deppreciated C5 vette is faster at a certain speed, NO. Do I like carrying three friends and our golf clubs on the weekends in the fastest Cadillac (to this point) ever made, YES. My last post on this subject, there may be a Mustang out there that needs it's doors blown off. Did I say that?????

S

StealthV

Most of the people feeding the low power frenzy are people who don't even own a CTS-V. How ghey is that?

Read through this thread and you'll find documented feedback and dyno reports from no less than three reputable tuners who all say the V makes the 400 hp.

Stop the insanity already.

It's been fun for a while, but I"m not feeding the trolls anymore. You guys need to go somewhere else and talk about how much horsepower your Tornado kit added or how great a K&N filter is or something.


V. The best production car built by GM. Ever.

GrooveCityCTS-V

BUMP THAT!
IF YOU DONT HAVE A CTS-V OR HAVENT RODE IN ONE, **** OFF.

I'VE RODE F-BODY'S, CORVETTE'S, MUSTANGS, COULD HAVE BOUGHT ANY CAR I WANTED AND I SPENT THE EXTRA MONEY AND GOT THE BEST!!!

Geno

Oh, I didn't want to jump into the fray but....

Ditto, on if you don't own one or haven't driven one, then what the hey! Some of the stories I have heard from camaro and firebird owner over the last 30 years; "I had my unmodified (read F body) car up to 190mph the other day"..."I did an 11.2 quarter in street tires"..."I took on a Viper and won"...etc with the dribble. The fact is the fantasies of some F body owners is way large compared to the HP their motors produce.

I’ve owned an 02 Z06 and currently own a 04 C5 Lemans Commemorative and a CTS-V. Unless you can make a Z06 driver think twice, don’t even think of trying to jump a “V”.


PS: Do you know for a fact you put down a "V", or was it a 6 cylinder pretender with a cts-v front end grill.

z28nbr1fan

I already jumped a CTS-V. Old news Geno. He almost caused two wrecks before I made him look stupid. You sound like you have a complex about the HP your CTS-V puts down. I guess that is why you are so deep in this forum.

z28nbr1fan

Good luck with the class action.....