If you live in Calif
07-20-2021, 04:11 PM
#41
TECH Enthusiast
Wasn't aware of that, I learned something new today. Ok, how about….a guy piggybacks a Holley, or whatever aftermarket ECM to his car. Aftermarket ECM runs the engine, and the Oem ECM is just thereto make the BCM happy and run gauges, etc. This is actually pretty common practice, btw.
Guy plugs into factory port, sees factory settings, and you ride off into the sunset. Thoughts?
Guy plugs into factory port, sees factory settings, and you ride off into the sunset. Thoughts?
I've thought about this as well. I have a 21 3500hd 6.6 gas. And want to add a TVS blower on it. Not for Cali reasons, but due to lack of tuning options on a encrypted ECM.
07-20-2021, 05:25 PM
#42
We already had work arounds but this state is a **** show and has been. The hardest part has been trying to find a state with weather I'm willing to deal with that also has no risk of having Californian transplants that voted for this type of ****.
It's sad that our hobby is dying more and more year by year.
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07-20-2021, 08:57 PM
#44
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Theres a shop local to me that locks their tunes and from what I’m “told”, other tuners can’t even take a look to see what’s going on. Makes for a pretty doggone good pissing match around these parts. That’s why I suggested the piggyback setup and a GM ECM maybe getting you around the new commie regulations being enforced out there. I’m just spitballing really…prolly either get you a fine or prison. 😂
07-20-2021, 11:35 PM
#45
TECH Enthusiast
Brent over at PFI Speed is fighting the EPA after they fined him $18,000 for selling Hondata. The fine could have been $180,000 for selling 37 modules but they gave him a break. He's out of Colorado but he's dealing with the feds so his *** is on the line! If he loses he'll probably have to pay the full fine, court and lawyer costs.
He gets pretty emotional in the video
07-21-2021, 01:33 AM
#46
So far most of the people getting nailed by this are actively on social media promoting things like removing emissions control systems actively.
The diesel bros were the first I'm aware of that got nailed, and they were basically every single video talking about removing def systems, cats, rolling coal and other stupidity that permiates the diesel community and because popular. They absolutely deserved what they got from the EPA.
Selling a hondata or tuning device seems like something that shouldn't be an issue. I believe the EPA needs to be brought to heel and a common sense middle ground needs to be found.
I believe that there is plenty of power that can be made with cats and emissions gear installed, my car passes euro emissions standards here in Abu Dhabi just fine with cam/heads/long tubes and high flow cats.
It sucks, but how many times do you go into a forum and the first power nod is people talking about gutting cats or removing them? And you wonder why the EPA takes an offensive position on this and other methods of defeat.
VW was not alone in their trickery btw, most German companies do it as do several japanese companies outside the US.
I also believe that if people knew how effective a cat converter and other emissions controls actually were at reducing pollutants, they would never remove them in the first place.
That extra 5 HP isn't worth the headache, let alone the future damages to the environment. One or two people doing it realistically won't hurt anything. However when entire communities begin doing it, it all adds up.
I ran mine uncatted for a year until I could afford to cat my system again. I bought the car that way, and when I added long tubes, the first thing I did was add cats at the same time.
Hopefully the industry comes together and fights this stupidity on all fronts, both with the customer base and the EPA. We have to pay fees and extra inspections on this side of the pond to register our modified cars. They have to be inspected for safety, emissions and quality of work in general.
You guys have had it super easy. It sucks, but you still have it better than most countries do.
-Byron
The diesel bros were the first I'm aware of that got nailed, and they were basically every single video talking about removing def systems, cats, rolling coal and other stupidity that permiates the diesel community and because popular. They absolutely deserved what they got from the EPA.
Selling a hondata or tuning device seems like something that shouldn't be an issue. I believe the EPA needs to be brought to heel and a common sense middle ground needs to be found.
I believe that there is plenty of power that can be made with cats and emissions gear installed, my car passes euro emissions standards here in Abu Dhabi just fine with cam/heads/long tubes and high flow cats.
It sucks, but how many times do you go into a forum and the first power nod is people talking about gutting cats or removing them? And you wonder why the EPA takes an offensive position on this and other methods of defeat.
VW was not alone in their trickery btw, most German companies do it as do several japanese companies outside the US.
I also believe that if people knew how effective a cat converter and other emissions controls actually were at reducing pollutants, they would never remove them in the first place.
That extra 5 HP isn't worth the headache, let alone the future damages to the environment. One or two people doing it realistically won't hurt anything. However when entire communities begin doing it, it all adds up.
I ran mine uncatted for a year until I could afford to cat my system again. I bought the car that way, and when I added long tubes, the first thing I did was add cats at the same time.
Hopefully the industry comes together and fights this stupidity on all fronts, both with the customer base and the EPA. We have to pay fees and extra inspections on this side of the pond to register our modified cars. They have to be inspected for safety, emissions and quality of work in general.
You guys have had it super easy. It sucks, but you still have it better than most countries do.
-Byron
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07-21-2021, 06:11 AM
#47
Theres a shop local to me that locks their tunes and from what I’m “told”, other tuners can’t even take a look to see what’s going on. Makes for a pretty doggone good pissing match around these parts. That’s why I suggested the piggyback setup and a GM ECM maybe getting you around the new commie regulations being enforced out there. I’m just spitballing really…prolly either get you a fine or prison. 😂
07-21-2021, 08:31 AM
#48
Staging Lane
I just went on summitracing.com and did a search for “CARB EO” and got more than 2000+ hits. Headers, carbs, camshafts, cold air kits, super chargers, cats, cat backs, computer chips and modules, complete engines, you name it. Jegs had over 1300 hits for the same search.
There is a company called diablosport.com that is advertising CARB compliant tunes with CARB EO numbers.
All legal for street use on emission controlled vehicles in California.
There is a company called diablosport.com that is advertising CARB compliant tunes with CARB EO numbers.
All legal for street use on emission controlled vehicles in California.
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07-21-2021, 11:43 AM
#50
TECH Enthusiast
07-21-2021, 05:03 PM
#51
You guys/gals realize they have been doing this since they changed the Smog program a few years back?
All they are doing is taking a snap shot of the the Vin Number, the Calibration ID number, and the CVN number as well as verifying the monitors a set to ready and that there is no Current Check engine light codes. They also check that there is an RPM signal while the car is hooked to the OBD port.
Any time a shop or the Tech gets popped for something, they review all the cars that went through and verify the calibrations are correct.
All they are doing is taking a snap shot of the the Vin Number, the Calibration ID number, and the CVN number as well as verifying the monitors a set to ready and that there is no Current Check engine light codes. They also check that there is an RPM signal while the car is hooked to the OBD port.
Any time a shop or the Tech gets popped for something, they review all the cars that went through and verify the calibrations are correct.
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07-21-2021, 08:22 PM
#52
Staging Lane
That's what I did. Fk CA. Sold my house for almost twice what I bought it for and got nearly 4x the house and like 50x the property for less money and lower property taxes. ****, lower cost everything.
07-21-2021, 08:59 PM
#53
Staging Lane
Where can I move that has lower property taxes than that?
Snow skiing in Tahoe in 3 hours. Surfing in the Pacific Ocean in one hour. At our boat in the delta in 40 minutes. Three international airports with an hour.
To each his own.
07-21-2021, 09:29 PM
#54
Staging Lane
My house is worth 20+ times what I paid for it and my property taxes are 0.002%. You read that right, 0.002%.
Where can I move that has lower property taxes than that?
Snow skiing in Tahoe in 3 hours. Surfing in the Pacific Ocean in one hour. At our boat in the delta in 40 minutes. Three international airports with an hour.
To each his own.
Where can I move that has lower property taxes than that?
Snow skiing in Tahoe in 3 hours. Surfing in the Pacific Ocean in one hour. At our boat in the delta in 40 minutes. Three international airports with an hour.
To each his own.
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07-25-2021, 11:46 PM
#55
That's cool man, sounds like you're in a good place. I was in the 661, LA county, total shithole. Can support my family on one income now and put my kids in private school. I can buy whatever gun with no waiting (aside from NFA items which I can actually have here), walk out my patio door and shoot in my back yard, naked. Farm and hunt on my own property, no rolling blackouts, no permitting for anything, and can actually afford to go on vacations now to the ocean or mountains. It's a pretty solid exchange.
Everything you listed trumps what little California has to offer anymore. Most of the scenic areas are over crowded and take too long to get to due to traffic. I don't blame you one bit for leaving this place, I know it will be hard leaving here because it's all I've ever known but I've grown tired of the rat race and being taxed to death for **** roads and for policies I don't believe in.
As someone alluded to earlier this has been in place for a while but seems they're ramping up on it. I had a buddy who was visited by CARB officials because the smog shop he used got busted for helping hot rodders out.
08-02-2021, 08:49 AM
#57
My house is worth 20+ times what I paid for it and my property taxes are 0.002%. You read that right, 0.002%.
Where can I move that has lower property taxes than that?
Snow skiing in Tahoe in 3 hours. Surfing in the Pacific Ocean in one hour. At our boat in the delta in 40 minutes. Three international airports with an hour.
To each his own.
Where can I move that has lower property taxes than that?
Snow skiing in Tahoe in 3 hours. Surfing in the Pacific Ocean in one hour. At our boat in the delta in 40 minutes. Three international airports with an hour.
To each his own.
I wish I were nearer mountains.
08-02-2021, 09:29 AM
#58
My house is worth 20+ times what I paid for it and my property taxes are 0.002%. You read that right, 0.002%.
Where can I move that has lower property taxes than that?
Snow skiing in Tahoe in 3 hours. Surfing in the Pacific Ocean in one hour. At our boat in the delta in 40 minutes. Three international airports with an hour.
To each his own.
Where can I move that has lower property taxes than that?
Snow skiing in Tahoe in 3 hours. Surfing in the Pacific Ocean in one hour. At our boat in the delta in 40 minutes. Three international airports with an hour.
To each his own.
08-02-2021, 10:35 AM
#59
Staging Lane
Yeah, other taxes are high. Sales tax in my county is actually 9.75%. State income taxes are high at a max of 13% but I’m no where near that level.
So yes, our taxes are higher. But since California has embraced the Affordable Care Act, my health care is $1 per month until I’m 65 when I have to go to Medicare. I get to write off up to $10k of my state and local taxes off my fed return so all in all, I’m not complaining.