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Old May 3, 2014 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TXsilverado
here is a question. if it cruises at 14.5 with the converter locked at 70mph, wouldnt changing the IFR lean out that higher rpm AFR too? or am i thinking about it wrong. what the OP and i are experiencing is 10.9 AFR at extremely light throttle (cruising around a neighborhood or slow traffic) then it leans up to the desired AFR at cruising speed.
Two things. I had a similar problem that went a way once I adjusted the throttle screws to get 20 thou of the transfer slot showing. Adjusted both primary and secondary the same way. This put my idle with a stock LS2 cam at 1600 rpm. Only way I had to get it back down was to back off the timing at idle only.

So if you have too little or too much of the transfer slot showing at idle it won't transition well.

Second, I agree with you the air bleeds are suppose to flatten out the AFR as air flow increases. Some links say "delay", I'm not really sure which is correct. But I do know from basic physics that without an air bleed the AFR will get increasingly more rich as the air flow increases. So what I do with the transition and main circuits is set the AFR at the low end of the band with the jets/IFR, then adjust the air bleeds if it goes rich/lean at the top of the band for that circuit.

Again, Speedtigger says "it's not that simple", but I have had pretty good luck with this approach. I am often in 5th gear before 30 mph. I can cruise in 5th gear at 1000 RPM.
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Old May 3, 2014 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Pop N Wood
Two things. I had a similar problem that went a way once I adjusted the throttle screws to get 20 thou of the transfer slot showing. Adjusted both primary and secondary the same way. This put my idle with a stock LS2 cam at 1600 rpm. Only way I had to get it back down was to back off the timing at idle only.

So if you have too little or too much of the transfer slot showing at idle it won't transition well.

Second, I agree with you the air bleeds are suppose to flatten out the AFR as air flow increases. Some links say "delay", I'm not really sure which is correct. But I do know from basic physics that without an air bleed the AFR will get increasingly more rich as the air flow increases. So what I do with the transition and main circuits is set the AFR at the low end of the band with the jets/IFR, then adjust the air bleeds if it goes rich/lean at the top of the band for that circuit.

Again, Speedtigger says "it's not that simple", but I have had pretty good luck with this approach. I am often in 5th gear before 30 mph. I can cruise in 5th gear at 1000 RPM.
I think this is all important stuff. I think that before any advanced adjustments are done, it is always a good idea to make sure the basics are correct:
Float levels
Transfer slot within range
Secondary linkage functioning properly and adjust correctly
Accelerator pumps adjusted properly
Proper jets and powervalve (factory calibrations)

I also agree that in general the IFR will affect the low RPM cruise A/F ratio more while the LSB will affect the higher RPM crusie A/F ratio more.

Originally Posted by baronsmith98
Ok guys need a little help. Mods in sig. I have a quick fuel slayer 750 vacumm secondary. 70 main jets, 82 secondary, 6.5 power valve. My afr at idle is around 14.1. Then while light accelerating from 1500-2500rpm it's rich at 10.9. Then when cruising around 2300 rpm I have it running 14.5 afr. When I kick it it goes a little lean at 15.0, need to play with the pump cam some and the secondary opening rate. WOT is around 12.9. I'm mainly wanting to fix the light acceleration rich problem any idears? Thanks
I would suspect based on your description that you could benefit from a smaller IFR and LSB. This will have more effect on the lower RPM like you desire. I would normally suggest that one tries the Power Valve first, but your upper RPM A/F ratios sound ideal. So, if it were mine, I would likely check all the basics then move on to reducing the IFR. Just don't forget that your IFR and LSBs are related, so as you reduce your IFR, you will have to reduce your LSB to in order to maintain your nice upper RPM A/F ratios.

Originally Posted by TXsilverado
here is a question. if it cruises at 14.5 with the converter locked at 70mph, wouldnt changing the IFR lean out that higher rpm AFR too? or am i thinking about it wrong.
Have a look at my answer above. They are related like you suggest, but they are biased like Pops mentioned. So, you might think of them as a pair. A smaller IFR and LSB package could tend to lean out the bottom while still having a similar ratio to one another as opposed to a larger IFR and LSB package can maintain the same ratio to one another while being richer down low.
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Old May 4, 2014 | 08:20 PM
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Took the truck out tonight and WOT was bouncing around 12.5 to 14.1. I realized too when i was cruising I was on my primary circuit. So I jetted up to 71 primary to help WOT. I tried to adjust the idle mixture screws some more and now have it idling around 14.4 and cruise is around 13.2. Still all the same 10.9 while accelerating. The truck runs like a bat out of hell but I know there has to be more power on the table. Definitely need to do more reading and trial and error, I'm not as swift as I thought I was
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Old May 18, 2014 | 08:18 PM
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Messed around some tonight and put a wire in my IFRs to help out I can tell a difference. Dropped the main jet down to a 70 and found out the secondary was actually 72. I have it at around 14.5 idle and it likes to stay in the low 13s under light throttle and will sometimes dip to low 12s. Cruise is jam up running right around 15. Gonna try to work on it a little more later this week.
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Old May 18, 2014 | 09:26 PM
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Fun isn't it? Mine still hits 13.0 give or take cruising at 80, lol, guess I need to pull more primary jetting.
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I am glad mine is just a drag truck!!!
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Ok if I'm driving and don't come to a complete stop but the engine is at idle rpms it has a slight stumble when I get back on the gas. Also at very light cruise it will sometimes go lean at 16 afr. Idle mixture screws don't seam to make much of a difference I'm thinking of trying a smaller diameter wire and then readjusting the mixture screws. Any thoughts?
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Originally Posted by baronsmith98
Ok if I'm driving and don't come to a complete stop but the engine is at idle rpms it has a slight stumble when I get back on the gas. Also at very light cruise it will sometimes go lean at 16 afr. Idle mixture screws don't seam to make much of a difference I'm thinking of trying a smaller diameter wire and then readjusting the mixture screws. Any thoughts?
The easiest thing to try is a slightly higher number power valve, but that may mess up the rest of your cruise a/f ratios. Most likely you will need to increase the size of your IFRs until the hesitation/lean spot is gone, then resize your low speed bleed as needed.
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