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Old 04-30-2017, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
How many vehicles offered 345-350 (actual) or more horsepower in 1998-2002? And how many of those stickered for under $30k? How about under $25k? Ratings varied between 305-345hp depending on trim level, model year and SLP options, but all of them made about 350hp stock - same as C5. There was no better performance value available in the US new car market in 1998-2002 - in fact, few cars made significantly more power stock regardless of MSRP. And as for its closest peer, Mustang GT, LS1 F-body was about 100hp ahead during that time frame. Not sure how anyone could consider ~350hp stock as being "low" for a car from the 1998-'02 era....especially one that stickered as low as $20,470 (base price for a '98 Z28.
You are correct. 350hp in 2002 was actually very good and with a few bolt-ons, you could hit 400+ hp. I was either high or delusional when I posted that ... Well, I suppose yet another reason why late 4 Gen F-Bodies were so great (in my opinion).

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... 4th gen Camaros don't have "zero" following, this site is evidence to the contrary. As for the Mustangs of that same era seeming to have more following, the fact that so many more were built probably has a lot to do with it.
Agreed.
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Nice!!!!!
Thanks,I agree 100% about liking the fact that you just don't see these cars every day and never see SS hardtops like yours or mine.
I've yet to see another SS hardtop in my area,I see a few SS's around (not many) but mostly T-tops and once in a while a ragtop. Makes it fun having something rather unique.
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Thanks,I agree 100% about liking the fact that you just don't see these cars every day and never see SS hardtops like yours or mine.
I've yet to see another SS hardtop in my area,I see a few SS's around (not many) but mostly T-tops and once in a while a ragtop. Makes it fun having something rather unique.
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Here's my uniqueness
Apparently it's stealthy, I see nothing.
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Apparently it's stealthy, I see nothing.
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I wanted to add that I heard rumors that LS1 F-Bodies were cutting too deep into C5 sales which is another reason GM nixed them. I really wish that had made more. A modern day 4th Gen (F-Body with modern day performance packages) would be the god of affordable performance cars today.

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Subjectively, I do agree that the 4th gen is a "better" car than a 5th or 6th gen Camaro....for me. But much of this has to do with my personal preferences and opinions regarding such areas as gadgets, simplicity, styling, driving experience, etc. To the average person, they'd rather have a newer car with a warranty, fresher parts, faster stock acceleration, and modern tech gadgets. Most consumers would agree that the newer cars are better, but that doesn't necessarily make them right or wrong in a subjective comparison.
Yeah, it really depends on what you're looking for too though. I've owned a 95, 97, 99, 01 and 02 F-Body, a 15 5th Gen, and a 17 6th Gen...

If you want something for raw power, easy and inexpensive to mod throw me in the back seat and I don't care what the rest of the car does as I'm launching on two rear tires... 4th Gen wins hands down no contest, cheap, inexpensive aftermarket, fast, affordable, and just damn fun. 4th Gens do however have a tendency of nickling and diming you though.

If you want something refined, fresh, modern, still capable of handing butts to modern vehicles on the road of almost all categories except exotics, 6th Gen wins and is a marvel of vehicular engineering its practically..the perfectly engineered performance vehicle in STOCK form..but when the mod bug hits.. things get dicey as they're not very mod friendly and require special and expensive after market parts (some of which are not yet even perfected) in order to overcome its modern engine engineering - but in stock form still leaves you with more than enough power to enjoy given that the stock SS 6th Gens are tapping into the 11's which is 2 seconds faster than the 4th Gen. Suspension and Gearing on both the 5th and 6th gen is superior to the 4th as well.

So for a gearhead wanting to make a fun and fast platform - 4th Gen, for anyone wanting something refined, doesn't wanna wrench on it.. 6th Gen..

After owning a 5th Gen for a year, unfortunately I just couldn't fall in love with it.. It's a nice car dont get me wrong but it just does not feel like a Camaro when driving it. It feels oversized and bulky.
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After owning a 5th Gen for a year, unfortunately I just couldn't fall in love with it.. It's a nice car dont get me wrong but it just does not feel like a Camaro when driving it. It feels oversized and bulky.
Have you driven the 2015 Z/28 ?
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Originally Posted by Need4Camaro
4th Gens do however have a tendency of nickling and diming you though.
Considering many or most have over 100k miles and all are 15+ years old, this is to be expected. Not really a strike against the car, just something that eventually becomes a reality for all cars as they age - especially ones that invite aggressive driving, modifications (sometimes not done properly), and have had many owners. On the other hand, really nice ones (low miles, well maintained, not beaten like a rental car) that are stock/mostly stock have held together quite well in my experience.

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but in stock form still leaves you with more than enough power to enjoy given that the stock SS 6th Gens are tapping into the 11's which is 2 seconds faster than the 4th Gen.
Lots of stock 4th gens with LS1s hit low 13s and several hit very high 12s. So the spread isn't quite that big if you're comparing both cars at their peak. LS1s are old now, many are worn and some not so well maintained, so they don't always post such strong times today when stock.

4th gen LS1 cars were impressive machines when they were new, blistering stock performance compared to anything else in their price range and still worthy contenders even when compared to significantly more expensive cars. The 6th gen is bringing some of that recognition back to the nameplate, unlike 5th gen which never dominated its closest competition (Mustang.)
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
On the other hand, really nice ones (low miles, well maintained, not beaten like a rental car) that are stock/mostly stock have held together quite well in my experience.
I'm looking to buy an 01-02 low miled, care for SS. I love the GMMG Camaros also. If you know where to look? Any help appreciated. I'm checking Craigslist, ebay and this forum's classified section. Not easy .... ;(

The 6th gen is bringing some of that recognition back to the nameplate, unlike 5th gen which never dominated its closest competition (Mustang.)
Agreed -- The 6th gen is really nice. Why did the 5th gen not compare to the Mustang of the same year, in your opinion?
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I'm looking to buy an 01-02 low miled, care for SS. I love the GMMG Camaros also. If you know where to look? Any help appreciated. I'm checking Craigslist, ebay and this forum's classified section. Not easy .... ;(



Agreed -- The 6th gen is really nice. Why did the 5th gen not compare to the Mustang of the same year, in your opinion?
https://stillwater.craigslist.org/cto/6043116804.html

http://35thle.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10360

http://35thle.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10349
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Thanks but I cannot access the links. One link the Ad expired (craigslist). The other two links got to another forum -- I cannot access.
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Originally Posted by Camaro Enthusiast
I'm looking to buy an 01-02 low miled, care for SS. I love the GMMG Camaros also. If you know where to look? Any help appreciated. I'm checking Craigslist, ebay and this forum's classified section. Not easy .... ;(
All those sources you've listed, plus sites like Autotrader.com and Cars.com, would be my recommendations. GMMG cars are quite rare, so finding one of those may take some time. But nice LS1 SS cars pop up for sale frequently on Ebay, CL, this site, and those classifieds sites I listed above.

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Why did the 5th gen not compare to the Mustang of the same year, in your opinion?
Most would agree that the LS3 was a more powerful engine than the 5.0 found in Mustang GT between 2011-2014, however the power-to-weight ratio for 5th gen Camaro prevented it from being decisively faster than Mustang of those same years. And the L99 found in auto examples made things even worse.

On the other hand, 6th gen Camaro lost weight, gained power, and received additional transmission gearing (auto) - allowing more time spent in an optimal rpm range during WOT - all of which has put it ahead of Mustang.
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
All those sources you've listed, plus sites like Autotrader.com and Cars.com, would be my recommendations. GMMG cars are quite rare, so finding one of those may take some time. But nice LS1 SS cars pop up for sale frequently on Ebay, CL, this site, and those classifieds sites I listed above.
Thanks. I'm looking for a well cared for 02 SS or GMMG SS. By the way the Auto Trader website seems to be dead.

http://www.autotrader.com/

On the other hand, 6th gen Camaro lost weight, gained power, and received additional transmission gearing (auto) - allowing more time spent in an optimal rpm range during WOT - all of which has put it ahead of Mustang.
RPM WS6- you are a wealth of information here. Thanks for your time contributing. I have learned a few things from you already. Have a good day amigo.
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Originally Posted by Camaro Enthusiast
By the way the Auto Trader website seems to be dead.

http://www.autotrader.com/
Not sure why that site isn't working for you, I have no problem accessing it.

I don't know what region you're in, or how far you're willing to travel, or if you want an auto/manual/hardtop/t-top/convertible, or what your budget is, but here is a good example of a top tier specimen listed on Autotrader:

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=CAM

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RPM WS6- you are a wealth of information here. Thanks for your time contributing. I have learned a few things from you already. Have a good day amigo.
Thanks for the kind words, and good luck in your search.
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
Not sure why that site isn't working for you, I have no problem accessing it.

I don't know what region you're in, or how far you're willing to travel, or if you want an auto/manual/hardtop/t-top/convertible, or what your budget is, but here is a good example of a top tier specimen listed on Autotrader:

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=CAM



Thanks for the kind words, and good luck in your search.
Nice L.E. there
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
Not sure why that site isn't working for you, I have no problem accessing it.

I don't know what region you're in, or how far you're willing to travel, or if you want an auto/manual/hardtop/t-top/convertible, or what your budget is, but here is a good example of a top tier specimen listed on Autotrader:

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=CAM
I can't see that listing, must be my rogue server. Anyway, I'm located in Pompano Beach ( Florida ). Thanks.
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I can't see that listing, must be my rogue server. Anyway, I'm located in Pompano Beach ( Florida ). Thanks.
Car is pretty much as new just 4500 miles ,damn fine looking 35th.$21,500


http://images.autotrader.com/images/2016/5/16/429/533/43125728797.429533687.IM1.02.565x421_A.565x376.jpghttp://images.autotrader.com/images/2016/5/16/429/533/43125728799.429533687.IM1.04.565x421_A.565x376.jpghttp://images.autotrader.com/images/2016/5/16/429/533/43125728801.429533687.IM1.06.565x421_A.565x376.jpghttp://images.autotrader.com/images/2016/5/16/429/533/43125728809.429533687.IM1.14.565x421_A.565x376.jpg
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That's a pretty 35th LE amigo but I was never a huge fan of these 35th LE Camaros. I'm looking for a normal 01-02 SS, preferably black. I love the GMMG Camaros also, but GLWS!
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https://www.carsforsale.com/2002-che...r-sale-C138709
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https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/30349325


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