02 ZL1 camaro? NEVER seen this before
04-23-2006, 01:27 PM
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So GM built a '96 and a 2000 big block ZL-1. The 2000 is the one I saw at SEMA in probably 2000 and the one that ran against the 429 hemi mustang in some made for TV deal. And that's where the kid gets the crazy times and tire sizes that he thinks apply to the GMMG cars.
But, the car pictured above looks like a GMMG car with slicks on the rear and standard Z06 wheels on the front. Did that car actually run 9.55?
But, the car pictured above looks like a GMMG car with slicks on the rear and standard Z06 wheels on the front. Did that car actually run 9.55?
04-23-2006, 03:57 PM
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lol that kid dont know a whole bunch about camaros and stuff.
calls it a BIG BLOCK 427 but its just a C5R Lsx motor.. not really a BIG BLOCK.
there was some other random stuff he said too
but overall nice cars.. and they are expensive.. i seen one in real life.. it was a dick harrell supercar tho.. 120K price tag and over 600hp
calls it a BIG BLOCK 427 but its just a C5R Lsx motor.. not really a BIG BLOCK.
there was some other random stuff he said too
but overall nice cars.. and they are expensive.. i seen one in real life.. it was a dick harrell supercar tho.. 120K price tag and over 600hp
04-24-2006, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SOM02WS6
This guy sounds like a real tool, read the part about "chipping out" cars he says he has seen 100Hp gains form"Chipping" cars.....................
It's called a diesel.
Furthermore, you can easily gain 100hp from tuning alone if the car isn't well tuned to begin with. For example, put a twin turbo system on an LS1. NO ECU PROGRAMMING AT ALL, just the turbochargers, intercoolers, and injectors. Do you think it will even make the 305-350hp it did stock? I guarantee it won't. But spend a couple thousand on the appropriate equipment, and you can have 700hp the very next day.
04-24-2006, 01:28 AM
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I sat by and watched a car gain over 200 WHEEL horsepower with nothing more than ECU reprogramming.
It's called a diesel.
Furthermore, you can easily gain 100hp from tuning alone if the car isn't well tuned to begin with. For example, put a twin turbo system on an LS1. NO ECU PROGRAMMING AT ALL, just the turbochargers, intercoolers, and injectors. Do you think it will even make the 305-350hp it did stock? I guarantee it won't. But spend a couple thousand on the appropriate equipment, and you can have 700hp the very next day.
It's called a diesel.
Furthermore, you can easily gain 100hp from tuning alone if the car isn't well tuned to begin with. For example, put a twin turbo system on an LS1. NO ECU PROGRAMMING AT ALL, just the turbochargers, intercoolers, and injectors. Do you think it will even make the 305-350hp it did stock? I guarantee it won't. But spend a couple thousand on the appropriate equipment, and you can have 700hp the very next day.
Diesals are a totally different ball game, you cant even compare the 2. Even comparing the gains of headers on a N/A LS1 to the gains from the same headers on a suprcharged LS1 is a better comparison then you are making. LSX's don't accept 'chips' either. There is no way the guy gained 100hp by tuning the car. Even a non tuned FI car will put down better numbers than stock, unless the turbos suck or it wasn't installed properly, and all LS1's have ~350hp, so you don't need the 305 rating in there.
04-24-2006, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Trust
The C5R isnt a diesal Diesals are a totally different ball game, you cant even compare the 2. Even comparing the gains of headers on a N/A LS1 to the gains from the same headers on a suprcharged LS1 is a better comparison then you are making. LSX's don't accept 'chips' either. There is no way the guy gained 100hp by tuning the car. Even a non tuned FI car will put down better numbers than stock, unless the turbos suck or it wasn't installed properly, and all LS1's have ~350hp, so you don't need the 305 rating in there.
Diesals are a totally different ball game, you cant even compare the 2. Even comparing the gains of headers on a N/A LS1 to the gains from the same headers on a suprcharged LS1 is a better comparison then you are making. LSX's don't accept 'chips' either. There is no way the guy gained 100hp by tuning the car. Even a non tuned FI car will put down better numbers than stock, unless the turbos suck or it wasn't installed properly, and all LS1's have ~350hp, so you don't need the 305 rating in there.
If you don't think there is 100hp to be had with tuning, you are quite mistaken. If you get a chance, visit Renntech Performance. They gain 80hp and 200+ tq with tuning alone on the BiTurbo SL65, and they don't even tune it to the max because the tranny isn't capable of over 980tq. On a forced induction car, tuning includes adjusting boost. Surely you agree you cannot run 10psi on a stock LS1, with no computer modifications. But once you get an accurate EFI system, and one that is tuned live by the user, that boost rate may move up 4psi or so, depending on the application of course. The more you mod a car, the more your tune is affected negatively. Lookling at a linearly, it is just a matter of time before you mod to the point where tuning will gain more than 100hp. And don't even try to tell me a stock LS1 EFI can control a 600hp, 7000rpm motor perfectly without tuning.
Furthermore, I find it kind of sad I know more about the LS1 than you and I've never owned one. Doesn't help your credibility with the whole tuning issue. Every base Camaro and Firebird built with just the V8 option got a 305hp LS1 5.7l 346cid V8. The SS Camaro and WS6 Trans Am then got a 335hp-345hp (325 without SLP's help IIRC) version of the same powerplant. The Corvette got a 350hp variant.
04-24-2006, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FieroZ34
I sat by and watched a car gain over 200 WHEEL horsepower with nothing more than ECU reprogramming.
It's called a diesel.
Furthermore, you can easily gain 100hp from tuning alone if the car isn't well tuned to begin with. For example, put a twin turbo system on an LS1. NO ECU PROGRAMMING AT ALL, just the turbochargers, intercoolers, and injectors. Do you think it will even make the 305-350hp it did stock? I guarantee it won't. But spend a couple thousand on the appropriate equipment, and you can have 700hp the very next day.
It's called a diesel.
Furthermore, you can easily gain 100hp from tuning alone if the car isn't well tuned to begin with. For example, put a twin turbo system on an LS1. NO ECU PROGRAMMING AT ALL, just the turbochargers, intercoolers, and injectors. Do you think it will even make the 305-350hp it did stock? I guarantee it won't. But spend a couple thousand on the appropriate equipment, and you can have 700hp the very next day.
Not sure why you even brought up ECU reflash when SOM02WS6 was questioning about gaining 100 hp with a chip. As far as I know, there is no chip to be add with LSx PCM.
04-24-2006, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FieroZ34
It isn't desinged to be a diesel, put enough boost in it, advance timing enough, and I'm sure it'll diesel down the road
If you don't think there is 100hp to be had with tuning, you are quite mistaken. If you get a chance, visit Renntech Performance. They gain 80hp and 200+ tq with tuning alone on the BiTurbo SL65, and they don't even tune it to the max because the tranny isn't capable of over 980tq. On a forced induction car, tuning includes adjusting boost. Surely you agree you cannot run 10psi on a stock LS1, with no computer modifications. But once you get an accurate EFI system, and one that is tuned live by the user, that boost rate may move up 4psi or so, depending on the application of course. The more you mod a car, the more your tune is affected negatively. Lookling at a linearly, it is just a matter of time before you mod to the point where tuning will gain more than 100hp. And don't even try to tell me a stock LS1 EFI can control a 600hp, 7000rpm motor perfectly without tuning.
Furthermore, I find it kind of sad I know more about the LS1 than you and I've never owned one. Doesn't help your credibility with the whole tuning issue. Every base Camaro and Firebird built with just the V8 option got a 305hp LS1 5.7l 346cid V8. The SS Camaro and WS6 Trans Am then got a 335hp-345hp (325 without SLP's help IIRC) version of the same powerplant. The Corvette got a 350hp variant.
If you don't think there is 100hp to be had with tuning, you are quite mistaken. If you get a chance, visit Renntech Performance. They gain 80hp and 200+ tq with tuning alone on the BiTurbo SL65, and they don't even tune it to the max because the tranny isn't capable of over 980tq. On a forced induction car, tuning includes adjusting boost. Surely you agree you cannot run 10psi on a stock LS1, with no computer modifications. But once you get an accurate EFI system, and one that is tuned live by the user, that boost rate may move up 4psi or so, depending on the application of course. The more you mod a car, the more your tune is affected negatively. Lookling at a linearly, it is just a matter of time before you mod to the point where tuning will gain more than 100hp. And don't even try to tell me a stock LS1 EFI can control a 600hp, 7000rpm motor perfectly without tuning.
Furthermore, I find it kind of sad I know more about the LS1 than you and I've never owned one. Doesn't help your credibility with the whole tuning issue. Every base Camaro and Firebird built with just the V8 option got a 305hp LS1 5.7l 346cid V8. The SS Camaro and WS6 Trans Am then got a 335hp-345hp (325 without SLP's help IIRC) version of the same powerplant. The Corvette got a 350hp variant.
04-24-2006, 11:03 AM
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I got a picture of an intimidator camaro on my cell phone I live here in cochran and we got to change the oil here at the dealership that i work at. I never heard anything sound so mean. And there were more than 3 of them made i think it was closer to 60 or 80 of them made. Correct me if im wrong. And a handful were signed by the great 1 himself. 
04-24-2006, 03:32 PM
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more info There were 83 Intimidator SS's produced. More were planned, but porduction ended with Dale's untimely passing. Horepower was rated at 381. Gee, any idea how they came up with that? ................ Because that's what Dale wanted!!!!
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04-24-2006, 11:02 PM
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I specificly remember our ZL-1 #64 having 275's up front and 285's or so in the rear..I could be wrong about that though.
On another note it appears that our little #64 is up for sale again. I miss that car dearly, when it left our shop it had 40 miles on it.
http://www.wagnersclassiccars.com/cars/view_cars/166
At any rate that car was a blast to drive what little bit I got to do in it. About the 700 HP...uhh..the only one I know that might have made those kinds of numbers would have been Grumpy's Toy. On average they dyno'd out at 520-560 to the rear wheels or so.
I will be with some friends this weekend for the special unveiling of the new Camaro and one of my friends has #46. His car is the yellow one with the Fikse's on it in the above picture. We are going to dyno his car at 4:00 Saturday afternoon at Dyno Labs in Atlanta so we will see where his car stands.
On another note it appears that our little #64 is up for sale again. I miss that car dearly, when it left our shop it had 40 miles on it.
http://www.wagnersclassiccars.com/cars/view_cars/166
At any rate that car was a blast to drive what little bit I got to do in it. About the 700 HP...uhh..the only one I know that might have made those kinds of numbers would have been Grumpy's Toy. On average they dyno'd out at 520-560 to the rear wheels or so.
I will be with some friends this weekend for the special unveiling of the new Camaro and one of my friends has #46. His car is the yellow one with the Fikse's on it in the above picture. We are going to dyno his car at 4:00 Saturday afternoon at Dyno Labs in Atlanta so we will see where his car stands.
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04-25-2006, 09:23 AM
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OE on the GMMG ZL-1s was the OE Z06 wheels and tires. Matt would allow you to substitute whatever you wanted though. You got credit of the OE and bought whatever.
I'd like to know what the highest (accurately tested, rear wheel) horse power is on a GMMG ZL-1.
Whitten - post 'em!
I'd like to know what the highest (accurately tested, rear wheel) horse power is on a GMMG ZL-1.
Whitten - post 'em!
04-25-2006, 10:26 AM
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The 381hp rating was because Dale could not be second behind the black birds or Tom Henry which were rated at 380hp. I also have a copy of the GMHTP mag from May 2004 that has a yellow ZL1 427 on the cover. The article says only 37 Phase 3 cars were built.
04-25-2006, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ram-it
The 381hp rating was because Dale could not be second behind the black birds or Tom Henry which were rated at 380hp. I also have a copy of the GMHTP mag from May 2004 that has a yellow ZL1 427 on the cover. The article says only 37 Phase 3 cars were built.
I was told it was for car # 3, # 8, and # 1 the three DEI cup cars.
Was I given the wrong story?