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Old 10-25-2019 | 08:48 AM
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C8 PLUS 2: A T56 Mid-Engine C10


Current state of the Project 2/11/2020

We are beginning a project that I have had for many years now. Using a Corvette trans-axle to make a mid-engine vehicle! Of course, with the Corvette trans-axle design it is not very useful in most vehicles because of the axles coming out at the rear. The only thing I thought would work well would be a pickup truck.

THE DONOR TRUCK:

I picked up this 1986 C10 from the auction for $700 with a clear title out of Kansas. With a single cab and long bed it will be perfect to turn into a race truck! The long bed should have plenty of room for the engine, transmission, and Corvette rear carrier/suspension. Figuring it will fit the factory wheel wells.



Left front view photo from the auction site.



Right rear view photo from the auction site.



Left rear view photo from the auction site.



Right front view photo from the auction site.

After getting the truck back to our shop, we first stripped the bed off of it to check out the frame. The frame was in excellent condition and not rotted out like a local Ohio truck would have been. However from the photo's at the auction we could not see the bottom of the doors were rotted out as well as the rockers and cab corners. Not a huge problem since we got the truck for $700.



Just after removing the truck bed!

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THE C5 CORVETTE T56 TRANS-AXLE CONVERSION:

To make this work we took a spare C5 Corvette T56 rear cradle out of a car we had at the shop. We still however had no plan or idea for what engine would power this project.



Corvette trans-axle freshly dropped out of the donor C5 Corvette.

The Corvette T56 trans-axle will need to be modified for it to accept the LS engine directly to it in the truck bed. My thoughts are to change the front plate to an F-Body/GTO and then throw on a bell housing. There are tons of info on converting the Corvette T56 to a F-Body T56, so that helps a bunch. The next piece of the puzzle is to figure out a shifter option to shift the transmission since it will be in the truck bed. We are thinking about using a FWD manual shifter with cables to control the shifter at the "mid-shift" location.

I got the Corvette T56 all stripped down.



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Looking down into the T56 during disassembly.



Trying to figure out how to pull 5/6 gear. Ended up making a custom gear puller.



The remaining pieces to be pulled from the Corvette T56 front plate.

After getting the transmission stripped down I began looking for a core F-Body/GTO T56 to steal parts from to change the front cover and bellhousing. Another thing needing to be changed is the shift rail. The Corvette T56 shift rail sticks out of the front cover to run along the top of the torque tube to the Corvette shifter. The F-body/GTO shift rail will stick into the carrier area. Only thing to do is chop off the rear of the F-Body/GTO rail.

I purchased a McLeod mid-shift shifter receptacle. (McLeod PN: 82-1001) This is going to give me an option to shift the transmission.

Next I finally found a cheap core GTO T56 that I could steal the front plate and bell housing from. It came from a heavily damaged GTO... and while the T56 was an upgraded RPM Transmission's T56, more than just the rear housing was destroyed. (the seller said the bell housing and such was fine, just small crack in the rear housing)



The donor car the CORE T56 came from.

I ended up just purchasing a new front plate and bellhousing elsewhere and selling this T56 for a loss to my friend.

Still no idea on an engine for the project yet either.
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……………………………….

A YEAR LATER:

I guess after the loss on the T56 and the frustration the salvage yard gave me over not returning the T56 left me a bit bummed and I lost focus on the project.

Anyhow, we pick up with me purchasing an additional shop to get some projects done.



Bringing the C10 to the new shop.



Finally have garage space for some of the projects.



The main side of my new garage.

Finally having a garage big enough for a few of my projects, brought back some spark to get the ball rolling on the Mid-Engine C10 again. With the first time since I purchased the truck it was under roof and at my new shop.

First thing was to finish the T56 conversion. My biggest fear was shimming the main shaft and counter shaft, but after actually starting on a Saturday morning and finishing it was quite simple if you follow the instructions. I had bought the complete shim pack from Hawks.

Following several YouTube videos and diagrams we got the T56 assembled with the front half being F-Body/GTO and the rear half being Corvette.



The starting point. A bare F-Body/GTO front plate.



Getting the main shaft, counter shaft, and shift rails/forks lined on on the F-Body/GTO front plate.



Main shaft and counter shaft all ready to set the housing on. Already set shim tolerances.



Just put the alignment pins in, next is to put last gears on and rear housing.



Case fulled assembled, minus bellhousing.



The finished product!! A F-Body/GTO T56 front with Corvette T56 rear!
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THE POWER PLANT:

Earlier this year we purchased an 2012 CTS-V in hopes to get a few parts needed for another project. This left us with a spare LSA block and well not much else…..



The donor CTS-V. The same car we stole electronic exhaust cut outs for Bruce’s LS3 swapped 1991 C4 Corvette.

The engine spins freely, however the rear left corned got fractured from the accident. The damaged did not appear to go deep and we opened the bottom end up to inspect for further damage before deciding we would give it a go.

The chunk that was fractured off was just were the bellhousing bolts on to the drivers side. We went ahead and knocked it off the rest of the way to begin the repair.



The donor LSA block.



Donor LSA block.



The torque converter bolts did some machining during the accident.



Fractured corner of drivers rear of the block.



After knocking off the fractured piece.



Getting fracture lined up and ready to start welding.



Corned is now mostly solid and in position with the bellhousing.



Getting the corner welded back into position with help of the bell housing.



Piece welded on and ready to be ground back into shape.

During a trip up to Summit Racing earlier today for some shop supplies I found a Nick Williams LS3 102mm throttle body on their scratch/dent rack for $180!



Always getting lucky on the Summit Racing scratch and dent shelves!

I plan on using this throttle body, reverse mounting a Holley High Ram intake, and using a Shearer Fabrications Holley High Ram intercooler adapter fed by twin turbos to complete the power plant. I would like to run the new Precision Turbo symmetrical turbo’s for an ultra clean appearance, however I think their size options are going to be too big for my use. I plan on using this truck as a road coarse/autocross race truck.

That is all the further we have gotten for now!
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10/17/2019


We got our mid-shift shifter from the Summit Racing Discount Rack!



Fresh off of the Summit Discount Rack!


Just installed into the T56! Looks nice!


The Focus ST FWD manual shifter assembly we will use to operate the T56 shifter via cables!

With the shifter now in our possession it is time to get the transaxle bolted to the rear carrier and suspension. I still need to get measurements with it actually assembled to check out clearances at the front of the truck bed and what kind of pulley set-up I will have room to run. I thought about the LS4 accessories, however I read that the crankshaft is offset so the LS4 balancer will not line up correctly on a non-LS4 engine...

ANY HELP OR IDEAS ON THIS WOULD BE APPRECIATED!!

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Old 10-26-2019 | 05:27 AM
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Dont seem to be able to find them anymore though


MME Motorsport, based in Europe. They dont have anything specifically for the T56 etc, but do offer universal stuff. Quite expensive, but very cool

What do Fast Five's do ?
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Although depending how far you're going power wise, a true transaxle might be better, and there is already support for such transmissions in terms of shifters etc, like the Audi 01E, or Porsche G50 etc

SQS offer a few sequential shifter options for such setups. KAPS used to do systems too, but seems their range has reduced after XShift gearboxes appeared ( an important guy left KAPS to create a new business )
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Master Shift looks pretty trick for sure. Crazy $ though IMO
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Maybe also look at Mendeola transaxles, very big with the LS-powered rear/mid engine sand buggy crowd.
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I understand that there are "true" transaxles out there. However our whole goal for this project is to use the Corvette T56 set up. I think we might end up using an S1 Sequential shifter. But other than the shifter options a built RPM transmission/diff is still cheaper than most transaxles.

Plus the C10's long bed will be able to hold all of this length no problem. That is exactly why I chose it for this project.

We just got the T56 bolted up to the rear carrier/suspension this weekend. Also ended up throwing a junk 4.8L in front of it for measurements. Turned out pretty rad looking and I am excited.

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This. All of this. I absolutely love it when people do something unique, and making a mid engine setup using the C5 transaxle has been a dream of mine for a long long time.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
This. All of this. I absolutely love it when people do something unique, and making a mid engine setup using the C5 transaxle has been a dream of mine for a long long time.
It has been an idea of mine for a long time. When we had our first manual C5 Corvette come through the shop, I took it and began what you see here. I am very excited about where this is going!

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Neat build you have going there. Glad we were able to help out with some good deals from the scratch and dent tables in the retail store.
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Neat build you have going there. Glad we were able to help out with some good deals from the scratch and dent tables in the retail store.
Always a blessing!
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Prepping the frame:


This past Saturday we spent our time removing the front suspension out of the C10 as well as the rear axle and leaf springs. We wanted to get the frame bare other than the cab so we could wire brush and paint it. The front suspension unbolted nicely and we were able to test fit the C5 Corvette front suspension. The test fitting was nice and we got our first look at the 2017 Camaro 1LE wheels matched up to the '86 C10. They look amazing and I think will do us mighty fine for racing.


Test fitting the C5 Suspension to the C10 frame.

Checking out the Camaro 1LE wheels on the C10.

Next we got to work on removing the rear axle. Even with how clean the frame and overall truck was, the leaf spring bolts gave us a long fight. We ended up just cutting the hangars with a sawzall since we were not going to be using them anyhow. I then spent the next Sunday afternoon grinding the rivets off to remove the leaf spring hangars. The frame cleaned up extremely well with a quick wire brushing that Luke helped out with. We were able to accomplish a lot over this past weekend!


Just finished pulling the rear axle out!

Admiring our work before we get to wire-brushing the frame!

After spending about 2 hours going over the frame with the wire brush and a quick run over to Oreilly's for some paint we put on the first coat. The rain from throughout the day had finally stopped but with the temperature slowly dropping that evening the paint took forever to dry.


1st coat finished!

Done for the evening!
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This is something I've always had in the back of my head, make a fast truck that actually handles!

Any reason you didn't take off the rear shackle mounts?

If you don't mind - could you give me an estimate on how long the entire powertrain is - engine/transaxle?
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I love this so much.

S1 Sequential's shifter seems like fun way to make this happen. Just zig-zag a connecting link over the motor and into the cab through a small hole between the seat backs...

Please keep the pics coming!
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Originally Posted by NSFW
I love this so much.

S1 Sequential's shifter seems like fun way to make this happen. Just zig-zag a connecting link over the motor and into the cab through a small hole between the seat backs...

Please keep the pics coming!
S1 Sequential is supposed to be hooking us up with a new "Corvette" style shifter for us to debut at Holley LS Fest West next Spring. I think it is going to work out perfectly!
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Originally Posted by JoshHefnerX
This is something I've always had in the back of my head, make a fast truck that actually handles!

Any reason you didn't take off the rear shackle mounts?

If you don't mind - could you give me an estimate on how long the entire powertrain is - engine/transaxle?
We didn't cut off the rear shackles as that section of the frame is more than likely getting cut off as we graph in the C5 frame and suspension.

From the center of the tire to the front of the harmonic balancer(truck style) it is ~57 inches.
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So if you're cutting the frame down, are you gonna bob the bed also?


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