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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 03:52 PM
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i'm not getting spark or fuel.
i have a vats bypass wired in.
i'm getting 12v to the coils and injectors.
i have tested continuity on the grounds and they are good.

here is the info i found on this site as to what is in an aftermarket harness.
the wires marked with *'s are wires that are not in my harness.
have i removed something that needs to be there for the car to start?

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1 BLK PCM GROUND
2 LT GRN CRANK. POS. SENSOR B+ SUPPLY
3 PNK/BLK INJECTOR 3 CONTROL
4 LT GRN/BLK INJECTOR 2 CONTROL
8 GRA TP SENSOR 5V REF
11 LT BLU KNOCK SENSOR REAR
12 DK BLU/WHT CRANKSHAFT POS. SIGNAL
17 DK BLU TRANS. RANGE SIGNAL B
18 RED TRANS. RANGE SIGNAL C
19 PNK IGNITION. POS. VOLT.
20 ORG BAT. POS. VOLT
21 YEL/BLK CRANK POS. REF. LOW
26 TAN HO2S SIGNAL LOW BANK 2 SENSOR 1
29 TAN/WHT HO2S SIGNAL LOW BANK 1 SENSOR 1
*33 PPL TCC BRAKE SWITCH
*34 ORN/BLK PNP SWITCH SIGNAL
36 BLK INJECTOR 1 CONTOL
37 YEL/BLK INJECTOR 6 CONTROL
40 BLK PCM GROUND

*41 BLK EGR PINTLE POSITION. SENSOR GROU
*42 DK GRN ENG. COOLING FAN RELAY 1 CONTROL
43 RED/BLK INJECTOR 7 CONTROL
44 LT BLU/BLK INJECTOR 4 CONTROL
*45 GRA A/C REFRIG. PRESS. SENSOR 5V REF
*46 GRA FUEL TANK PRESS. SENSOR 5V REF
*47 GRA EGR PINTLE POS. SENSOR 5V REF
48 GRA MAP SENSOR 5V REF
51 DK BLU KNOCK SENSOR SIGNAL FRONT
*53 BLK TRAN. TEMP. SENSOR GROUND
54 ORG/BLK MAP SENSOR GROUND
*55 BRN EGR PINTLE POSITION. SENSOR SIGNAL
57 ORG BAT. POS. VOLT
58 DRK GRN SERIAL DATA
60 BLK TP SENSOR GROUND
61 PNK/BLK CAMSHAFT POS. SENSOR REF. LOW
66 PPL HO2S SIGNAL HIGH BANK 2 SENSOR 1
69 PPL/WHT HO2S SIGNAL HIGH BANK 1 SENSOR 1
73 BRN/WHT CAMSHAFT POS. SENSOR SIGNAL
74 YEL ENG. COOLLANT TEMP.SENSOR SIGNAL
76 BLK/WHT INJECTOR 5 CONTROL
77 DK BLU/WHT INJECTOR 8 CONTROL
*79 GRA OR WHT SKIP SHIFT SELENOID CNTROL (M/T) OR 2&3 SHIFT SELENOID CONTROL (A/T)
80 BLK ENG. COLOLANT TEMP. SENSOR GROUND

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1 BLK PCM GROUND
*2 BRN TCC CONTROL SOLENOID
*6 RED/BLK TRANS. PRESS.CONTROL SELENOID CONTROL HIGH
*8 LT BLU/WHT TRANS. PRESS.CONTROL SELENOID CONTROL LOW
*9 DK/GRN FUEL PUMP RELAY CONTROL
10 WHT ENG. SPEED (TACH) OUTPUT SIGNAL
*14 RED/BLK A/C REFRIG. PRESS. SENSOR SIGNAL
15 RED ALTERNATOR TERMINAL
*17 DRK GRN/WHT A/C REQUEST SIGNAL
*18 DK GRN A/C STATUS SIGNAL
*20 LT GRN/BLK VSS REFERENCE LOW
*21 ???? Not supplied ????
24 DK BLU TP SENSOR SIGNAL
25 TAN IAT SENSOR SIGNAL
26 PPL INGNITION CONTROL 1
27 RED INGNITION CONTROL 7
28 LT BLU/WHT INGNITION CONTROL 6
29 DK GRN/WHT INGNITION CONTROL 4
*30 DK BLU VDT FUEL ENABLE SIGNAL
31 YEL MAF SENSOR SIGNAL
32 LT GRN MAP SENSOR SIGNAL
*33 DK BLU ENG. COOLING FAN RELAY 2 & 3 CONTROL
*36 BRN AIR PUMP RELAY CONTROL
39 RED CAMSHAFT POS. SENSOR B+ SUPPLY
40 BLK PCM GROUND

*41 GRA EGR POSITION SENSOR GROUND
*42 TAN/BLK TCC ENABLE CIRCUIT
*43 DK GRN/WHT A/C CLUTCH RELAY CONTROL
*44 LT GRN REV. INHIBIT SOLENOID CONTROL
*46 BRN/WHT MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP CONTROL
*47 YEL/BLK TRANMISSION. SHIFT SOLENOID B
*48 LT GRN TRANMISSION. SHIFT SOLENOID A
*50 DK GRN/WHT VEHICLE SPEED OUTPUT CIRCUIT
*51 YEL/BLK TRANS. TEMP. SENSOR SIGNAL
57 PPL IAT SENSOR GROUND
60 BRN INGNITION CONTROL REFERENCE LOW BANK 1
61 BRN/WHT INGNITION CONTROL REFERENCE LOW BANK 2
*63 PNK TRANS RANGE SIGNAL A
66 PPL/WHT IGNITION CONTROL 8
67 RED/WHT IGNITION CONTROL 2
68 DK GRN IGNITION CONTROL 5
69 LT BLU IGNITION CONTROL 3
76 LT GRN/WHT IAC COIL B HIGH
77 LT GRN/BLK IAC COIL B LOW
78 LT BLU/BLK IAC COIL A LOW
79 LT BLU/WHT IAC COIL A HIGH
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 04:52 PM
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I would think you need this one "*9 DK/GRN FUEL PUMP RELAY CONTROL".
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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the fuel pump is working because it is wired on it's own cirtuit.
maybe the computer needs to see something there, i wouldn't think so, but i dunno.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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What do you have your VATS bypass wired to if you don't have #30 VTD fuel enable signal?
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 05:14 PM
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the vats bypass is going to pin 30.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 05:26 PM
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What are you working on? You have an aftermarket wiring harness, but what's the PCM out of? Was just thinking if it's a truck PCM, the bypass won't work. Just a thought.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 05:31 PM
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i trade for this car and it was already half done.

i don't know what this harness is from honestly. all the wires that have been removed were done so by the previous owner. it had all of the connectors chopped off when i got it. i modified all the wires to the correct lengths and put connectors on them. the wire colors are consitant with the 2000 fbody diagram i got off of this site.

the computer is marked stock 99 and the guy told me it was from an fbody.

rah!
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 06:28 PM
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A long time ago, I had modified a 5.3 harness for a guy. We got in a hurry and wanted to hear it run, and hadn't finished wiring up the fuel pump relay. We hot wire the fuel pump and went for it, nothing. When i scanned it , there was a code P0230 for fuel pump control. We wired up the fuel pump relay and then it started. now I don't know if that was it or not, but might be worth a shot..let us know...

Not sure if the PCM would shut down fire/fuel for a relay circuit not working.

Hey, also make sure you have power to injectors/coils/pcm DURING CRANKING

Regardless if VATS was disabled or not, you should always have spark, and injectors should fire for a few seconds..then die.

Also, injectors like to stick after sitting for a long time, might try priming the intake with fuel when you get spark going and still have problems.
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 06:43 PM
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hmmm, i guess i will move the fuel pump relay trigger from the key to the computer.
i already figured out the hard way the i need to wire up key hot AND the start position on the ignition key
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