Stans 1968 camaro LS swap and other upgrades!
08-20-2013, 10:17 AM
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Fun build
But one thing I want to comment on...... im not sure why we are all talking about big motors and power.....when I dont see much on the car to get it do the ground?
Not trying to be debbie downer here, but I would race my heads/cam LS1 against an LSx454 on stock suspension any day
But one thing I want to comment on...... im not sure why we are all talking about big motors and power.....when I dont see much on the car to get it do the ground?
Not trying to be debbie downer here, but I would race my heads/cam LS1 against an LSx454 on stock suspension any day
08-20-2013, 08:30 PM
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2bfat,that's already planned.deciding on either the Scott mock subframe or the art Morris with the ridetech 4link around same time I do the motor!
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08-20-2013, 09:08 PM
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If u have never seen the Scott mock subframe check it out here!!
http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=39949
http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=39949
08-21-2013, 07:56 AM
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Who says you have to spend 10k on suspension to get it to hook? And who says you have to swap subframes and rear axles as well?
....and im sorry you feel that way about Missouri. We are the "show me state" and looks like you had nothing to show apparently.
....and im sorry you feel that way about Missouri. We are the "show me state" and looks like you had nothing to show apparently.
08-21-2013, 08:44 AM
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I just want really good handling and ride quality and I'm not a fan of keeping the rear springs!i did look into the hotchkis suspension and multiple people tell me they handle well but ride like ****!!!
08-21-2013, 04:43 PM
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I don't remember Stan saying anything about drag racing so to get it to hook on the street would be as simple as not pressing the gas. A bad *** engine in an old muscle car on the verge of shredding the rear tires at every light is just plain awesome. I am glad you have built a single purpose vehicle. Hopefully it works out for you. But If I were to build a drag car it wouldn't be an LS1, just saying. No replacement for displacement!
I am at 471rwhp/450ft/lbs six speed. That's not a ton of power but better than most.
What was I going to show? Sort of weird if you ask me. The arch was cool if you like looking at the Ghetto from way up high.
I am at 471rwhp/450ft/lbs six speed. That's not a ton of power but better than most.
What was I going to show? Sort of weird if you ask me. The arch was cool if you like looking at the Ghetto from way up high.
That leads me to the comment of not pressing the gas...... so then whats the point? Shredding tires is what I did in high school.....plus its expensive. If I am at a stop light with someone thats giddy on racing im def not going to want to go up in smoke. Also I will see you at the end when you miss a shift with your six speed. Manuals impress high school kids, automatics win races.
One last thing, there is replacement for displacement. Its called boost. And lots of it
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08-23-2013, 01:07 PM
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Yippeee!!!! One guy out to prove something to the world that his stock bottom end LS1 will out run all of the other LS1s. It doesn't say how much spray he was using, what the car weighed, how much money was dumped into that pass, or any of the other factors that should be considered. Don't get me wrong I like the LS1 as it is what started all of this. It ought to be considered as one of the best engine designs since the SBC. I have the upmost respect for all things LS big or small. I prefer larger cubic inch engines as does Stan. You bought the LS1 for a reason and that's cool but not everyone else wants the same thing. You are like a vacuum cleaner salesman that won't go away trying to convince the world the LS1 is still top dog, it had its day for sure, for several years as a matter of fact. Your engine in a 2,000 lb. car would be unstoppable but the reality is your engine is going to be in a 3,500lb all steel car. Not as impressive but still fast. Power to weight ratio is key. For example: a good friend of mine has a hatchback Mustang with a 306ci engine T5 5-speed laying down 340rwhp that runs the 1/8th in 6.87 without the need for any power adders. He weighs 2,300lbs and hooks on drag radials.
What kind of power do you really, truthfully, not what you read in a magazine, expect to get out of the stock bottom end LS1 you are slapping together? A good friend of mine has one in his 69 Camaro and it was awesome to him at first, now he is spraying the **** out of it and he now wants more! Do you see where I am going? Give it up man just give it up. I tried not to stir the pot last night and just get back to the topic but you are persistent. You must be an only child or were spoiled beyond belief growing up. By the way, I like your Camaro and for your wife to want to keep it in the family is awesome. Best of luck on your build.
What kind of power do you really, truthfully, not what you read in a magazine, expect to get out of the stock bottom end LS1 you are slapping together? A good friend of mine has one in his 69 Camaro and it was awesome to him at first, now he is spraying the **** out of it and he now wants more! Do you see where I am going? Give it up man just give it up. I tried not to stir the pot last night and just get back to the topic but you are persistent. You must be an only child or were spoiled beyond belief growing up. By the way, I like your Camaro and for your wife to want to keep it in the family is awesome. Best of luck on your build.
Second you mentioned your first choice for a drag car wouldnt be an LS1 because there is no replacement for displacement. Obviously there is and that car in the link I provided is N/A. My comment on I would take my LS1 over a fire breathing huge motor on stock suspension any day because what is the point of having a huge motor with gobbs of power to just light the tires up? I could care less what you have between the frame rails....if you cant win a race because you cant get it to hook what is the point in having it? I never mentioned the LS1 is still "king" as you claim I said. I just stated you can still make great power and go fast with them. Thats great you prefer big cubes, but remember this was a question about suspension not comparing cubic inches.
Third you mentioned how much power do I think I will have out of this LS1 I am "slapping" together out of a magazine. Well first im not "slapping" it together. Iv been around a few LS setups in my day N/A, Boosted, & Nitrous so this isnt my first rodeo unlike yourself it seems. In my opinion a stroked N/A LS2 or 3 that you are making 471 to the wheels is low. Very low as a matter of fact.
Fourth im sorry you have to result in calling me a vacuum cleaner and spoiled beyond belief which either of those two im not. I am also sorry for what ever experience you had in STL wasnt the best....but does STL cover the entire state of Missouri? Last I remember it doest. Also the last time I checked North Carolina wasnt the poster child for United States tourism either.
Again man, as you can read previously I wasnt trying to be debbie downer but it was a simple suspension question is all. It was asked because I cant count how many guys I have seen over the years roll into a street racing gathering or street scene night with all this power, blower, turbos, ect and only to light the tires up when racing because they have no way to get it to the ground. Then get a case of the redass because they lost.
08-23-2013, 05:02 PM
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The whole point of my posts and very first post was everyones talk about big motors and big power...but no supporting mods to do anthing with the power. It was a simple question then you started going off about being on a budget yet planning on spending 10k on suspension? I mentioned you dont have to spend 10k on suspension to get it to hook but its your car and your build. Have at it
Second you mentioned your first choice for a drag car wouldnt be an LS1 because there is no replacement for displacement. Obviously there is and that car in the link I provided is N/A. My comment on I would take my LS1 over a fire breathing huge motor on stock suspension any day because what is the point of having a huge motor with gobbs of power to just light the tires up? I could care less what you have between the frame rails....if you cant win a race because you cant get it to hook what is the point in having it? I never mentioned the LS1 is still "king" as you claim I said. I just stated you can still make great power and go fast with them. Thats great you prefer big cubes, but remember this was a question about suspension not comparing cubic inches.
Third you mentioned how much power do I think I will have out of this LS1 I am "slapping" together out of a magazine. Well first im not "slapping" it together. Iv been around a few LS setups in my day N/A, Boosted, & Nitrous so this isnt my first rodeo unlike yourself it seems. In my opinion a stroked N/A LS2 or 3 that you are making 471 to the wheels is low. Very low as a matter of fact.
Fourth im sorry you have to result in calling me a vacuum cleaner and spoiled beyond belief which either of those two im not. I am also sorry for what ever experience you had in STL wasnt the best....but does STL cover the entire state of Missouri? Last I remember it doest. Also the last time I checked North Carolina wasnt the poster child for United States tourism either.
Again man, as you can read previously I wasnt trying to be debbie downer but it was a simple suspension question is all. It was asked because I cant count how many guys I have seen over the years roll into a street racing gathering or street scene night with all this power, blower, turbos, ect and only to light the tires up when racing because they have no way to get it to the ground. Then get a case of the redass because they lost.
Second you mentioned your first choice for a drag car wouldnt be an LS1 because there is no replacement for displacement. Obviously there is and that car in the link I provided is N/A. My comment on I would take my LS1 over a fire breathing huge motor on stock suspension any day because what is the point of having a huge motor with gobbs of power to just light the tires up? I could care less what you have between the frame rails....if you cant win a race because you cant get it to hook what is the point in having it? I never mentioned the LS1 is still "king" as you claim I said. I just stated you can still make great power and go fast with them. Thats great you prefer big cubes, but remember this was a question about suspension not comparing cubic inches.
Third you mentioned how much power do I think I will have out of this LS1 I am "slapping" together out of a magazine. Well first im not "slapping" it together. Iv been around a few LS setups in my day N/A, Boosted, & Nitrous so this isnt my first rodeo unlike yourself it seems. In my opinion a stroked N/A LS2 or 3 that you are making 471 to the wheels is low. Very low as a matter of fact.
Fourth im sorry you have to result in calling me a vacuum cleaner and spoiled beyond belief which either of those two im not. I am also sorry for what ever experience you had in STL wasnt the best....but does STL cover the entire state of Missouri? Last I remember it doest. Also the last time I checked North Carolina wasnt the poster child for United States tourism either.
Again man, as you can read previously I wasnt trying to be debbie downer but it was a simple suspension question is all. It was asked because I cant count how many guys I have seen over the years roll into a street racing gathering or street scene night with all this power, blower, turbos, ect and only to light the tires up when racing because they have no way to get it to the ground. Then get a case of the redass because they lost.
08-23-2013, 08:41 PM
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Quite a bit of drama in the last flurry of posts. The problem is you are both right. When your talking forced induction an LS1/2 or 3 can reliably make the kind of power Stan is after and then some. It is a just a matter of how he wants to go about it.
The LS1 would be the cheapest route since he already has a good set of heads & cam. Stroking the LS1 with forged components, machine work and main/heads studs and your done. The LS3 would cost more, but big cubic inch motors can be fun and the aftermarket is fully supporting the LS3 so things will only get better with time. Regardless of what route you go it is a win/win situation as both setups can make the power you need.
The LS1 would be the cheapest route since he already has a good set of heads & cam. Stroking the LS1 with forged components, machine work and main/heads studs and your done. The LS3 would cost more, but big cubic inch motors can be fun and the aftermarket is fully supporting the LS3 so things will only get better with time. Regardless of what route you go it is a win/win situation as both setups can make the power you need.
08-23-2013, 09:12 PM
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Quite a bit of drama in the last flurry of posts. The problem is you are both right. When your talking forced induction an LS1/2 or 3 can reliably make the kind of power Stan is after and then some. It is a just a matter of how he wants to go about it.
The LS1 would be the cheapest route since he already has a good set of heads & cam. Stroking the LS1 with forged components, machine work and main/heads studs and your done. The LS3 would cost more, but big cubic inch motors can be fun and the aftermarket is fully supporting the LS3 so things will only get better with time. Regardless of what route you go it is a win/win situation as both setups can make the power you need.
The LS1 would be the cheapest route since he already has a good set of heads & cam. Stroking the LS1 with forged components, machine work and main/heads studs and your done. The LS3 would cost more, but big cubic inch motors can be fun and the aftermarket is fully supporting the LS3 so things will only get better with time. Regardless of what route you go it is a win/win situation as both setups can make the power you need.
I have removed my portion of the posts so as not to junk up Stan's thread any more than I already have. Guess I sort of got caught up in the moment. It is all good!