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Old 06-18-2011, 01:55 PM
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Can anyone help me? There's like 5 wires on the pedal but 9 going to the plug, are the others not used? It was cut when I got it so basically I have the pedal, plug and wires and the module, plug and wires but there are more wires on the module than the pedal...
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The other wires are for cruise control, there should be a gray, gray with black stripe, and a dark blue that go to the cruise switch. If you're not running cruise, you can get rid of them.
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Originally Posted by retardedpenguin
Can anyone help me? There's like 5 wires on the pedal but 9 going to the plug, are the others not used? It was cut when I got it so basically I have the pedal, plug and wires and the module, plug and wires but there are more wires on the module than the pedal...
what year you working with here? 2003 to 2005 had a 10 position plug on each end, one end white, one end black. Some years had 9 wires, some only had 6 wires. From my understanding, from 2003+ only 6 wires were needed. In 2006, the gas pedal went to a smaller plug, but other end at the TAC module was still the same.

first attachment named "Engine Data Sensors - Electronic Throttle Controls.gif" is the 2006 schematic. Notice the pin location for the APP sensor (gas pedal) is 1,2,3,4,5,6. This is the small 6 pin.

The second attachment is specific to 2004 truck. Its labeled with letters. The schematic shows APP Sensors 1-3, however, I have seen these with just 2 of the 3 wired up. I can't remember exactly which one is not used.

pull the gas pedal to tac module jumper harness out of your 04 caddy and look at it.
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I have no clue what years, they just gave it to me out of a silverado(junkyard). There are 9 wires on the module and 6 on the pedal.. Unfortunately I don't have the caddy any more. I just matched the colors up and yeah, didn't work lol..


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So which wires go where?
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None of the cruise control wires go between the TAC and the pedal.

It looks like you have a 2003'ish TAC module (3 APP sensors) and a 2005'ish pedal (2 APP sensors).

You need a different pedal or a different TAC module, but the OS (year, mainly) inside your PCM would dictate which part you need to change out.

There's some good 2003-2004 (3 APP sensor) schematics here on pages 1 and 3: https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagn...al-travel.html
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Originally Posted by Jim_PA
None of the cruise control wires go between the TAC and the pedal.
This is correct - none of the wires between the TAC module and the pedal go to the cruise control.

Originally Posted by Jim_PA
You need a different pedal or a different TAC module, but the OS (year, mainly) inside your PCM would dictate which part you need to change out.
I'm not so sure about this, though I could be just lucky. I am successfully running a 1997-04 Corvette DBW system (TAC module, throttle body, pedal) on a 2006 Sierra 2500HD PCM and harness. I think the important thing is to make sure the TAC module, throttle body, and pedal are all compatible. If that's the case, you can use them (together) on a wide range of LS-based vehicles. Of course, the PCM should be from a DBW vehicle that uses a TAC module. (Some PCMs are not DBW, and some of the later DBW systems do not use TAC modules.)


PM me if you need any wiring diagrams.
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Originally Posted by FastKat
I'm not so sure about this, though I could be just lucky.
I'm not so sure either, but I know something is different between 2004 and 2006 OS's for the pedal (at the very least).

To avoid buying any other mismatched stuff, I'd recommend going by the year/make/model of the OS when getting a TAC/pedal.
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Originally Posted by Jim_PA
None of the cruise control wires go between the TAC and the pedal.
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Before he posted the pics, I thought he was refering to his engine harness was cut before the TAC, the other plug.
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Alright, guess imma run by the yard and get a 2 sensor tac. My engine is an 04 and I think the PCM is also.
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The wires you are holding up from the TAC tell me you have the 3-sensor TAC, but I'm not so sure if using the 2 sensor TAC/Pedal with a PCM configured for 3 sensors will work or not.

A - Gray
B - Purple
C - Lt Blue
D - Tan
E - Yellow/Black
F - Blue
G - White/Black
J - Brown
K - Green

At the pedal, they need to be mapped like this:

TAC - PEDAL
A-A
K-K
E-J
B-B
C-C
D-D
J-E
F-F
G-G

You could try to pin the TAC-Pedal cable like above, it might work just fine. I'm not sure if they actually use a different pedal sensor, or if they just don't hook up the 3rd APP circuit in the later years.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/14466569-post44.html

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My pedal is missing the J wire.
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Originally Posted by retardedpenguin
My pedal is missing the J wire.
Well, I guess we know they use different sensors
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So I got a different Tac with 6 wires but the plug is smaller than the one on the pedal, I tried to match everything up and it still doesn't work.. What now?
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I've gone through 3 different pedal/ tac set ups in every combo possible and nothing works. I don't know what to do right now, what's the deal? Can the TB go bad?
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Anyone?
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What kind of vehicle did your throttle body come off of? Some sort of Cadillac?
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04 silverado. I've tried every tac/ pedal set up from 03 to 06.
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What tune is on the pcm?

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I don't know, I'm going to take it to g force tomorrow, had to help a friend out today so I didn't have time.


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