Conversions & Swaps LSX Engines in Non-LSX Vehicles
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Fuel pump wire off battery in trunk?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-30-2012, 10:41 PM
  #1  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
spacemanspif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Swedesboro, NJ
Posts: 425
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default Fuel pump wire off battery in trunk?

Hi everyone,

A couple times in the past I have heard my in-tank Walbro 255 fuel pump change pitch when little things are done that add electric load, like stepping on the brakes. The power wire for my pump is the little one that current performance added when the harness was modded and its about 20ft long. I've been looking at the hotwire kit but think its kind of silly to buy that when I have my battery sitting less than 3ft away from my fuel pump.

Worried about my fuel pump dieing from low voltage; I'm thinking of pulling power straight from my battery. I figure I could use the current power wire to energize a new relay and use a fuse to protect it all. I'm wondering if this is a bad idea that might lead to problems though. I'm not that strong in the electrical department so someone please chime in and let me know if this is a good/bad idea. Also, anywhere to get a nice little 1 fuse/1 relay block that I could mount in my trunk nicely?

Thanks,
Old 12-31-2012, 01:00 AM
  #2  
TECH Regular
 
78_elky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Newberg, OR
Posts: 487
Received 126 Likes on 83 Posts

Default

Hella makes a 4 prong relay with a mounting tab that has a fuse holder built right in. Its really a nice piece I use one on my Holley fuel pump on my El Camino as well as on the head light circuits. They run about $15 but I don't know a part # I've always just talked with the parts counter guy at the local speed shop (not chain) to figure it out. A nice plus is they have lasted for 10 years unlike the cheap little black relays I've also used.
Jessica
Old 12-31-2012, 07:26 AM
  #3  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (1)
 
Pop N Wood's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,402
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts

Default

The changes in pitch are normal. That is just alternator output voltage fluctuations with changes in load. Even a volt or two of fluctuation will cause that.

It wouldn't hurt to run the fuel pump off the battery but there may be no reason to believe you need to. If you have the pump fused properly than that will protect against a true low voltage condition.
Old 12-31-2012, 08:40 PM
  #4  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (11)
 
S10xGN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Port Neches, TX
Posts: 3,782
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

Mine's hot-wired direct from the battery, less than 2 ft of wire and it still changes pitch. Here's a clip of my wiring diagram, it has an "on-off-on" switch under the battery so I can switch the pump completely off or on in addition to normal running. I've labelled the other wires off the FP relay so you'll see they are not important to the FP itself.
Attached Thumbnails Fuel pump wire off battery in trunk?-image-000.gif  
Old 12-31-2012, 08:52 PM
  #5  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (4)
 
i r teh noobz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 784
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The available voltage for the whole system changes when you add load. It doesn't matter how short the cable is, the voltage will still drop a little when you hit the brakes or turn on the headlights (causing a change in pump speed/pitch). As long as the wiring itself isn't causing excessive resistance, I'd leave it alone.

Check voltage drop across your pump power wire (and the ground as well). If its over a few tenths of a volt, you should change your setup.
Old 01-01-2013, 09:25 AM
  #6  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (7)
 
1981TA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Saint John, IN
Posts: 1,369
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

Mine has the harness "keyed" power line run to a relay. The fuel pump is connected to battery hot and only comes on when the key is turned. The relay came from a wrecked bmw (free) and had the schematic printed right on it.
Old 01-01-2013, 01:19 PM
  #7  
TECH Regular
Thread Starter
iTrader: (5)
 
spacemanspif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Swedesboro, NJ
Posts: 425
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Thanks for all the info guys. I have been meaning to check the voltage drop whenever I'm under the car next but want to have an idea to fix it should there be a substantial drop found. Just seems to me that the power wire is really long and really small so I figured a shorter run can only help the situation.

78Elky: I think I found the Hella "fused relay" its just what I am looking for, thank you.

S10xGN: any reason why you decided to wire your fuel pump with automatic and manual controls?

Thanks again
Old 01-01-2013, 08:52 PM
  #8  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (11)
 
S10xGN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Port Neches, TX
Posts: 3,782
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by spacemanspif
Thanks for all the info guys. I have been meaning to check the voltage drop whenever I'm under the car next but want to have an idea to fix it should there be a substantial drop found. Just seems to me that the power wire is really long and really small so I figured a shorter run can only help the situation.

78Elky: I think I found the Hella "fused relay" its just what I am looking for, thank you.

S10xGN: any reason why you decided to wire your fuel pump with automatic and manual controls?

Thanks again
I can flip the switch one way to prime | check fuel pressure | pump out the tank, center it for a fuel cutoff, or flip it the other way for normal operations (key-on ignition switched).



Quick Reply: Fuel pump wire off battery in trunk?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:31 AM.