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Old 09-30-2017, 09:53 AM
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um...will it fit in a F-Body? lol
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Originally Posted by Need4Camaro
um...will it fit in a F-Body? lol
It's eight inches longer than the standard LS block. So maybe? I'm thinking it would be rad for a Jag conversion.
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Sorry if this has been posted here, but I just wrote this up for the HP.

V12 LS kits with the block, heads, crank and cam will go for around $21,000, while turn-key versions will command $46K.

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No substitute for cubic dollars.
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I see some of these going into P51 Mustang replicas. It would sound RIGHT!
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Originally Posted by Michael Yount
No substitute for cubic dollars.
Ha ha ha!
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
I see some of these going into P51 Mustang replicas. It would sound RIGHT!
That would be wicked.
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Would certainly allow for a lot more room up front and be a lot lighter than the old supercharged Packard and RR Merlin V12's. You'd need to be able to dial up 1000-1400 reliable HP to mimic what was available in the period for P51's, although production versions produced right at 2000hp in de Havilland Hornet. Keep in mind, the Merlin's had MUCH more displacement than what we're talking about here (up to 42 litres - about 2500 cubic inches!)....so we're talking VERY lazy HP production. Things have come a long way in terms of efficiency and reliability...so who knows, it just might be possible. There are already some aluminum block LS aero applications ---- so folks are "going there" already.

Take a "bit" more work (and displacement) to approach contemporary racing versions of the Merlin in competition P51's. They're now at 45-50 psig of boost and making 3800-4000 HP. And the sound at 500mph.... (cut to :40)....
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Originally Posted by Michael Yount
Would certainly allow for a lot more room up front and be a lot lighter than the old supercharged Packard and RR Merlin V12's. You'd need to be able to dial up 1000-1400 reliable HP to mimic what was available in the period for P51's, although production versions produced right at 2000hp in de Havilland Hornet...
Most P-51 replicas/kits (such as the Stewart 51) are not full scale.

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Even better for a smaller engine then....
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Man, if they were going through all that trouble to cast up a block heads, and have cranks made, it would have been cool if they could have raised the cam higher and narrowed the V to 60 degrees.
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Originally Posted by Michael Yount
No substitute for cubic dollars.
LOL> so true.
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Originally Posted by Michael Yount
Would certainly allow for a lot more room up front and be a lot lighter than the old supercharged Packard and RR Merlin V12's. You'd need to be able to dial up 1000-1400 reliable HP to mimic what was available in the period for P51's, although production versions produced right at 2000hp in de Havilland Hornet. Keep in mind, the Merlin's had MUCH more displacement than what we're talking about here (up to 42 litres - about 2500 cubic inches!)....so we're talking VERY lazy HP production. Things have come a long way in terms of efficiency and reliability...so who knows, it just might be possible. There are already some aluminum block LS aero applications ---- so folks are "going there" already.

Take a "bit" more work (and displacement) to approach contemporary racing versions of the Merlin in competition P51's. They're now at 45-50 psig of boost and making 3800-4000 HP. And the sound at 500mph.... (cut to :40).... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq_i9RpvKuY
Everyone who has ever tried an automotive engine solution in the unlimited class has met with sour results unfortunately. I think the last time some one made a serious go of it was with a pair of Electromotive V6's running on a Nitro/Alcohol mix. Thankfully they had two of them, because one ended with 5 of the 6 rods hanging out the side. Tech has come a long way, but I do believe that it's going to be tough to outrun 2500 CI, even if it is a 90 year old design.
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Originally Posted by 96 Comp T/A
Man, if they were going through all that trouble to cast up a block heads, and have cranks made, it would have been cool if they could have raised the cam higher and narrowed the V to 60 degrees.
.....and then it could sound a bit like this, but more robust!

https://petrolicious.com/films/ferra...eid=271289e83d
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Originally Posted by 96 Comp T/A
Everyone who has ever tried an automotive engine solution in the unlimited class has met with sour results unfortunately. I think the last time some one made a serious go of it was with a pair of Electromotive V6's running on a Nitro/Alcohol mix. Thankfully they had two of them, because one ended with 5 of the 6 rods hanging out the side. Tech has come a long way, but I do believe that it's going to be tough to outrun 2500 CI, even if it is a 90 year old design.
As I mentioned -- LAZY HP seems to be the key. And when you cut the displacement down to 1/5th, the HP ain't so 'lazy'.....
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I had a chance to see two of these last week while at SEMA. Even got to see and hear the V12 Camaro leave the show. It sounded nasty! Here's some videos I made, mind my video and editing skills, I'm new to this.



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Thanks for creating and sharing that video SHARKBITEATTACK, yes the Camaro does sound pretty bad ***!

To be clear for everyone following this thread, this is a different effort than Ray’s (the original thread starter). We have chosen to do several things in other ways so really hope to see an update from Ray sometime so we can all learn from each other's experience.
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Originally Posted by V12LS

To be clear for everyone following this thread, this is a different effort than Ray’s (the original thread starter). We have chosen to do several things in other ways so really hope to see an update from Ray sometime so we can all learn from each other's experience.
So there are two different unrelated projects at making a V12 from LS parts? Both Australian too?

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So there are two different unrelated projects at making a V12 from LS parts
That's correct.

Both Australian too?
The Camaro at SEMA, Haltech run stand engine and soon a few others using the new cast blocks are from us at V12LS.com (The Aussies Matt and Shane Corish).

The original creator of this thread is an experienced machinist named Ray from Washington State, USA.



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