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Old 05-24-2014, 08:54 PM
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You sure its an L33? Not a newer variant with AFM is it?
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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
Is the computer tuned for the 36Lb injectors?

Are you sure you have the correct tune for the for the harness your running?

I'm pretty sure the ls1 PCM can handle the 36lb injectors. I have swapped them on other engines with no issues.

The harness is nodded to be an ls1 harness and the PCM is for a ls1.
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You need to scale the injectors to suit the size
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Originally Posted by cam
You sure its an L33? Not a newer variant with AFM is it?
Yup it doesn't have any of the flex full craziness or the crank case vent stuff that the variants have.
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Originally Posted by cam
You need to scale the injectors to suit the size
So what are u saying? Do I need smaller injectors or a retune to set it up for 36lb injectors?
Do you think I'm getting to much fuel?
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Originally Posted by cam
You need to scale the injectors to suit the size
So what are u saying? Do I need smaller injectors or a retune to set it up for 36lb injectors?
Do you think I'm getting to much fuel?

Are 36lb injectors to much for a 5.3l? ****!!!
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Originally Posted by drift donkey
I'm pretty sure the ls1 PCM can handle the 36lb injectors. I have swapped them on other engines with no issues.

The harness is nodded to be an ls1 harness and the PCM is for a ls1.
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You need to scale the injectors to suit the size
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So what are u saying? Do I need smaller injectors or a retune to set it up for 36lb injectors?
Do you think I'm getting to much fuel?

Are 36lb injectors to much for a 5.3l? ****!!!
Yes, Which is why I brought it up. The tune needs to be scaled accordingly.

For a bone stock 5.3L there probably to much unless you put the correct data in there.

There are different years of the LS1. The computer and tune should be of a similar year tune and PCM. If you set it up for a 98 camaro and your useing 04 GTO pinouts you could run into an issue.
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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
Yes, Which is why I brought it up. The tune needs to be scaled accordingly.

For a bone stock 5.3L there probably to much unless you put the correct data in there.

There are different years of the LS1. The computer and tune should be of a similar year tune and PCM. If you set it up for a 98 camaro and your useing 04 GTO pinouts you could run into an issue.

I am using 2002 camaro pinouts w/ a PCM programmed for the same.

I could see to much fuel being an issue I guess.
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You are getting fuel, correct? If that is the case I would try to pull the pump fuse and spray starting fluid into the plenum. If the plugs are dry and clean it should fire. Have you verified that the PCM is seeing voltage under cranking and not just in the run position? Yu did verify that you have no DTC's?
If you are getting a pop in the intake my guess would be either incorrect firing order or intake valve not closed fully. This could also explain the funky compression (cylinder pressure) readings.
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Originally Posted by oldgoat69
You are getting fuel, correct? If that is the case I would try to pull the pump fuse and spray starting fluid into the plenum. If the plugs are dry and clean it should fire. Have you verified that the PCM is seeing voltage under cranking and not just in the run position? Yu did verify that you have no DTC's?
If you are getting a pop in the intake my guess would be either incorrect firing order or intake valve not closed fully. This could also explain the funky compression (cylinder pressure) readings.
I have fuel, spark, and no DTC's. I corrected my push rod length and I am no longer have intake back fire issues. I got it started yesterday, but it ran like crap, was back firing, and would not stay running unless I kept the throttle cracked.
I will double check everything again today. For the tenth time. Lol. FML!!!
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If the plugs are black its over fueling.

You need to address the injectors in the tune.

You can't run a larger injector without putting the correct data in the PCM. The computer can not correct for such a large difference.

Also if your computer is set up for an LS1 5.7L and you're running a 5.3L you need to correct the Bore size as the computer uses this to calculate the airflow/fueling requirements.
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So I was doing some reading and saw this:
The Gen III firing order has been revised from 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 to 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3. Note that the pairings 1-8, 4-3, 6-5, 7-2 remain the same, but the pairing order is different for reduced vibration.

When I set my pushrods the firing order was 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3. If I am running a 2001-2002 12200411 Pcm would this be the correct order?
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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
If the plugs are black its over fueling.

You need to address the injectors in the tune.

You can't run a larger injector without putting the correct data in the PCM. The computer can not correct for such a large difference.

Also if your computer is set up for an LS1 5.7L and you're running a 5.3L you need to correct the Bore size as the computer uses this to calculate the airflow/fueling requirements.
Roger that.
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Originally Posted by drift donkey
So I was doing some reading and saw this:
The Gen III firing order has been revised from 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 to 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3. Note that the pairings 1-8, 4-3, 6-5, 7-2 remain the same, but the pairing order is different for reduced vibration.

When I set my pushrods the firing order was 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3. If I am running a 2001-2002 12200411 Pcm would this be the correct order?
1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3 this is the Gen 3 LS1 firing order.

1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 is the old 350 small block style firing order. It's also shared on the chrysler fifth avenue, pontiac, and range rover.

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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3 this is the Gen 3 LS1 firing order.

1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 is the old 350 small block style firing order. It's also shared on the chrysler fifth avenue, pontiac, and range rover.

Damn and I thought that would have been my issue.
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How are you setting your valves ? Are you setting them one at a time on the firing order as you would fir a SBC/BBC ?


Bc
or are you following the oem procedure for a GEN III/IV engine ?
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Originally Posted by bczee
How are you setting your valves ? Are you setting them one at a time on the firing order as you would fir a SBC/BBC ?


Bc
or are you following the oem procedure for a GEN III/IV engine ?
i was talking about installing my pushrods sorry
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here are 2 vids of spark and compression. bank 1 looks off to me and bank 2 looks on. any ideas?

bank 1:

bank 2:
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So I have the correct injectors In and the engine will idle, but #1 banks timing is still off! What would cause this??? Please help!!!


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