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Old Jan 29, 2016 | 04:53 PM
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Default LY6 vs LS3 Intake Manifold Performance . . . again

This has probably been kicked around this site so many times that it is ancient history. I hve done a couple of searches and not really found what I am looking for, so I will open it up again and see what comes back.

I have a 6.0L LY6 that I am swapping to from a 5.7L TBI. I am considering swapping the intake manifold from the current truck unit to a sleeker LS3 intake. Aside from the aesthetics, am I gaining or loosing anything in flow and performance.

I have the clearance under the hood to run the LY6 intake. I don't like the way it looks, but I am not building a show piece. If the LY6 is going to provide better breathing characteristics, I will try to clean it up and stay with it. If performance is either better or the same, I am going to go pretty and put the LS3 on the motor.
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Old Dec 12, 2020 | 08:23 PM
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I'm in the exact same situation. Can anyone shed any light on this?

Specifically, would I lose any bottom-end torque by going to the ls3 manifold?
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They make basically identical power and torque. You won't gain or lose anything noticeable in any way.
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Originally Posted by AwesomeAuto
They make basically identical power and torque. You won't gain or lose anything noticeable in any way.
agreed
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Truck intakes are for low to midrange power, car intakes are for top end power. If you’re not revving over 6k, you’re never gonna see the benefits of a car intake.
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Originally Posted by Sacrilege
Truck intakes are for low to midrange power, car intakes are for top end power. If you’re not revving over 6k, you’re never gonna see the benefits of a car intake.
Except in this case the LS3 car intake and LY6/L92 truck intake make almost identical power everywhere.
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Old Dec 17, 2020 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sacrilege
Truck intakes are for low to midrange power, car intakes are for top end power. If you’re not revving over 6k, you’re never gonna see the benefits of a car intake.
I, and most others, are not concerned about 'better performance' with a car intake. We're wanting it for it's improved appearance only, and merely don't want to lose performance.
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The L92 truck intake VS. LS3 intake is a wash. They make ABOUT the same HP, TQ as each other. Within a few throughout the revs.

Richard Holder has done videos on YouTube about this very thing. If you haven’t seen them yet, check it out

I got mine car intake purely for looks alone. I’m glad I didn’t really loose anything down low torque wise

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I kicked this around a lot. Bough an LS3 intake, would have had marginal clearance with truck(shave the top), LS3 has a larger stock injector. Going to mock up the engine in the car with truck intake and check hood clearance, making custom mounts to set the engine as low as possible in frame.

lots of ways to get a larger injector in an LY6 intake though, this thread is a good read if you need to upgrade.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/fueling-i...flow-rate.html
LY6, 30lb/hr@58psi
LS3, 42lb/hr@58psi
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I want to see actually dyno numbers of how these are supposedly identical in performance. And I mean dyno numbers with some real RPM behind them, not this 6,200rpm nonsense. Richard Holdener is a moron. Short runners are for high RPM, long truck runners are for low end grunt.
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Originally Posted by Sacrilege
I want to see actually dyno numbers of how these are supposedly identical in performance. And I mean dyno numbers with some real RPM behind them, not this 6,200rpm nonsense. Richard Holdener is a moron. Short runners are for high RPM, long truck runners are for low end grunt.
The runner length between LY6 and LS3 manifolds is actually pretty close, just configured differently. They have been compared repeatedly by Holdener and others. Power outputs are nearly identical when run on the same dyno. Being that both are stock manifolds, 6200 is a very realistic number to use in that situation, but Holdener usually goes to 7k RPM or higher where possible.
As for who is the moron, it usually takes one to think he knows one and call silly names.
Richard Holdener is widely respected by many who actually know what they're talking about, as opposed to those who like to shoot their mouth off in a vain attempt to appear so.
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Originally Posted by Sacrilege
I want to see actually dyno numbers of how these are supposedly identical in performance. And I mean dyno numbers with some real RPM behind them, not this 6,200rpm nonsense. Richard Holdener is a moron. Short runners are for high RPM, long truck runners are for low end grunt.


It would have taken longer to find a post where you aren't so damn bitter.

P.S., the long runner gen 4 truck intake outperforms the short runner LS1/LS2/LS6 car intake up (or over) 7000 RPM on most setups.
The guys at Tick tested them against each other over 10 years ago and came up with the same results.
The guys at PCM of NC tested them together and the truck intake made more power.

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Originally Posted by Sacrilege
Richard Holdener is a moron.
Compared to who.... You? How many books have you written and sold? How many followers do you have on Youtube?
How does your bio stack up to his?

Richard Holdener is a technical editor with over 25 years of hands-on experience in the automotive industry. He's authored several books on performance engine building and written numerous articles for publications like Hot Rod, Car Craft, Super Chevy, Power & Performance, GM High Tech, and many others.
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Have you forgotten about your old buddy kingtagalong already???
Careful what you feed the trolls...
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Originally Posted by Sacrilege
Richard Holdener is a moron.
Ouch!!

Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
Have you forgotten about your old buddy kingtagalong already???
Careful what you feed the trolls...

I almost had...



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Originally Posted by Sacrilege
I want to see actually dyno numbers of how these are supposedly identical in performance. And I mean dyno numbers with some real RPM behind them, not this 6,200rpm nonsense. Richard Holdener is a moron. Short runners are for high RPM, long truck runners are for low end grunt.
If he's a moron, show us all your tests and data.
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Originally Posted by Sacrilege
Truck intakes are for low to midrange power, car intakes are for top end power. If you’re not revving over 6k, you’re never gonna see the benefits of a car intake.
Bullllshit
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bUt muH yOutUbE viEwS yO! Kenny Duttweiler doesn’t even have a YouTube channel, I guess I better never take any of his advice! What a stupid metric to base something on.
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Originally Posted by Sacrilege
bUt muH yOutUbE viEwS yO! Kenny Duttweiler doesn’t even have a YouTube channel, I guess I better never take any of his advice! What a stupid metric to base something on.
OK, show us Kenny's data on LS3 vs LY6 intakes... we'll wait.....
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Originally Posted by Sacrilege
bUt muH yOutUbE viEwS yO!
You're a clown, Nobody said anything about youtube views, Lets hear your resume...besides flunking out of clown school.
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