E67 TB and pedal compatibilty
E67 TB and pedal compatibilty So I'm trying to simplify my tuning situation as much as possible. I have an e67 TB and ECM from the same 07 TBSS motor. I am getting an error with the current uknown flash and Monte SS pedal even when repinned. One I know because its looking for a TCU that does not exist and the other is a p2138 TPS. With the pinout being the, shouldn't the CTS-v pedal work with the TBSS DBW TB ? I'm thinking this would allow me to flash the ECM as an '07 CTS-v since it had e67 and manual trans. Thoughts anyone?
Chris,
I am as suing that you are using the Impala SS pedal....this?
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo....440301&jsn=514
I am surprised that you are having issues...
Andrew
I am as suing that you are using the Impala SS pedal....this?
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo....440301&jsn=514
I am surprised that you are having issues...
Andrew
Andrew,
I'm actually using the Monte SS pedal. I see the part numbers are different between the Monte and Impala. Didn't you use to the Monte on your GTO and Impala on the cougar?
I'm not sure what base tune is on my ECM now and haven't gotten a clear response from the person that tuned it when asked. The ECM is still looking for the TCU and running in limp while giving me 0101 and 2138 for the pedal. I figured if I bought HP tuners I'd be good because I could lay down the CTS-v tune from 6spd e67 car. The cts-v pedal wires the same as tbss where the motor, ECM and tb originated....
I'm actually using the Monte SS pedal. I see the part numbers are different between the Monte and Impala. Didn't you use to the Monte on your GTO and Impala on the cougar?
I'm not sure what base tune is on my ECM now and haven't gotten a clear response from the person that tuned it when asked. The ECM is still looking for the TCU and running in limp while giving me 0101 and 2138 for the pedal. I figured if I bought HP tuners I'd be good because I could lay down the CTS-v tune from 6spd e67 car. The cts-v pedal wires the same as tbss where the motor, ECM and tb originated....
The LS2 CTSV pedal will not work with the TBSS OS.
Each pedal has 2 APP sensors in it. Not all sensors sweep the same even though they may have the same pinout.
On some pedals, both sensors sweep 0v to 5v, on some, both sensors sweep 5v to 0v, on some, sensor 1 may sweep 0v to 5v while sensor 2 sweeps 5v to 0v, and on some, sensor 1 sweeps 5v to 0v while sensor 2 sweeps 0v to 5v.
I do have a brand new ls2 ctsv pedal that I dont need if you want to run the ctsv OS.
Each pedal has 2 APP sensors in it. Not all sensors sweep the same even though they may have the same pinout.
On some pedals, both sensors sweep 0v to 5v, on some, both sensors sweep 5v to 0v, on some, sensor 1 may sweep 0v to 5v while sensor 2 sweeps 5v to 0v, and on some, sensor 1 sweeps 5v to 0v while sensor 2 sweeps 0v to 5v.
I do have a brand new ls2 ctsv pedal that I dont need if you want to run the ctsv OS.
Last edited by branndonw; Jul 17, 2016 at 04:19 PM.
The LS2 CTSV pedal will not work with the TBSS OS.
Each pedal has 2 APP sensors in it. Not all sensors sweep the same even though they may have the same pinout.
On some pedals, both sensors sweep 0v to 5v, on some, both sensors sweep 5v to 0v, on some, sensor 1 may sweep 0v to 5v while the sensor 2 sweeps 5v to 0v, and on some, sensor 1 sweeps 5v to 0v while sensor 2 sweeps 0v to 5v.
I do have a brand new ls2 ctsv pedal that I dont need if you want to run the ctsv OS.
Each pedal has 2 APP sensors in it. Not all sensors sweep the same even though they may have the same pinout.
On some pedals, both sensors sweep 0v to 5v, on some, both sensors sweep 5v to 0v, on some, sensor 1 may sweep 0v to 5v while the sensor 2 sweeps 5v to 0v, and on some, sensor 1 sweeps 5v to 0v while sensor 2 sweeps 0v to 5v.
I do have a brand new ls2 ctsv pedal that I dont need if you want to run the ctsv OS.
Chris
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I don't believe that Chevy ever made a Monte SS. It is entirely possible that in a previous post I said Monte instead of Impala. The pedal I posted earlier is what I am using in my GTO. The GTO has a e67 that came with the GMPP harness kit. The pedal included in the kit was a CTSV pedal and swapping to the Impala SS was not a problem at all. In fact, I always thought that all Gen IV pedals are interchangeable with the exception of GTO and TBSS pedals, which seem to be slightly off...I may be wrong on this, so I am open to be schooled with better knowledge.
Andrew
I don't believe that Chevy ever made a Monte SS. It is entirely possible that in a previous post I said Monte instead of Impala. The pedal I posted earlier is what I am using in my GTO. The GTO has a e67 that came with the GMPP harness kit. The pedal included in the kit was a CTSV pedal and swapping to the Impala SS was not a problem at all. In fact, I always thought that all Gen IV pedals are interchangeable with the exception of GTO and TBSS pedals, which seem to be slightly off...I may be wrong on this, so I am open to be schooled with better knowledge.
Andrew
I respectfully beg to differ sir... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevro..._.282005-07.29
The 2006-2007 cars come with an aluminum front wheel drive LS4 5.3.
Too bad the crank and bellhousing bolt pattern are front wheel drive specific.
I respectfully beg to differ sir... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevro..._.282005-07.29
The 2006-2007 cars come with an aluminum front wheel drive LS4 5.3.
Too bad the crank and bellhousing bolt pattern are front wheel drive specific.
The 2006-2007 cars come with an aluminum front wheel drive LS4 5.3.
Too bad the crank and bellhousing bolt pattern are front wheel drive specific.
Andrew
I've just come to the conclusion I need to be able to actually see whats on this ECM instead of relying on someone else to tell me. At least i can be more informative if I need to ask for assistance. I plan on installing a cam at some point so I won't be married to some mail order tuner either.
I definitely appreciate all the responses from you guys...
Andrew, it makes sense they share the same pedal. They share the same engine and transmission from the GM parts bin as well as chassis. 
CSouth, I can tell you from experience swapping several GM engines and controllers into non-stock applications, it's ALL about the calibration and hardware coordination. Several of the pins are shared functions and the calibration is either looking for input or sending outputs differently based on the calibration loaded.
Without much effort I can think of several examples. Given a bit of time several of us could probably come up with more examples of this than we have space for on this forum. Fortunately the people at HP Tuners are absolutely amazing at giving us access to make changes to many (but not all) of these parameters.
CSouth, I can tell you from experience swapping several GM engines and controllers into non-stock applications, it's ALL about the calibration and hardware coordination. Several of the pins are shared functions and the calibration is either looking for input or sending outputs differently based on the calibration loaded.
Without much effort I can think of several examples. Given a bit of time several of us could probably come up with more examples of this than we have space for on this forum. Fortunately the people at HP Tuners are absolutely amazing at giving us access to make changes to many (but not all) of these parameters.
Andrew, it makes sense they share the same pedal. They share the same engine and transmission from the GM parts bin as well as chassis.
CSouth, I can tell you from experience swapping several GM engines and controllers into non-stock applications, it's ALL about the calibration and hardware coordination. Several of the pins are shared functions and the calibration is either looking for input or sending outputs differently based on the calibration loaded.
Without much effort I can think of several examples. Given a bit of time several of us could probably come up with more examples of this than we have space for on this forum. Fortunately the people at HP Tuners are absolutely amazing at giving us access to make changes to many (but not all) of these parameters.
CSouth, I can tell you from experience swapping several GM engines and controllers into non-stock applications, it's ALL about the calibration and hardware coordination. Several of the pins are shared functions and the calibration is either looking for input or sending outputs differently based on the calibration loaded.
Without much effort I can think of several examples. Given a bit of time several of us could probably come up with more examples of this than we have space for on this forum. Fortunately the people at HP Tuners are absolutely amazing at giving us access to make changes to many (but not all) of these parameters.
I wish you well on your swap.
All the Gen IV controllers use external TCM's (Transmission Control Modules) so they are perfect for transmission swaps with a bit of rewiring. The calibration doesn't need to be changed much so you don't HAVE to use an E67 - unless that fits the pedal and throttle body you already own.
Right now I'm trying to piece together elements to go Gen IV drive by wire on a Gen III engine using mostly parts I have lying about from other swaps. I have a few options, but I don't have enough of anything to make a complete setup without buying something. I'm fine with that, I just need to be smart as I only wish to buy things once.
All the Gen IV controllers use external TCM's (Transmission Control Modules) so they are perfect for transmission swaps with a bit of rewiring. The calibration doesn't need to be changed much so you don't HAVE to use an E67 - unless that fits the pedal and throttle body you already own.
Right now I'm trying to piece together elements to go Gen IV drive by wire on a Gen III engine using mostly parts I have lying about from other swaps. I have a few options, but I don't have enough of anything to make a complete setup without buying something. I'm fine with that, I just need to be smart as I only wish to buy things once.
I wish you well on your swap.
All the Gen IV controllers use external TCM's (Transmission Control Modules) so they are perfect for transmission swaps with a bit of rewiring. The calibration doesn't need to be changed much so you don't HAVE to use an E67 - unless that fits the pedal and throttle body you already own.
Right now I'm trying to piece together elements to go Gen IV drive by wire on a Gen III engine using mostly parts I have lying about from other swaps. I have a few options, but I don't have enough of anything to make a complete setup without buying something. I'm fine with that, I just need to be smart as I only wish to buy things once.
All the Gen IV controllers use external TCM's (Transmission Control Modules) so they are perfect for transmission swaps with a bit of rewiring. The calibration doesn't need to be changed much so you don't HAVE to use an E67 - unless that fits the pedal and throttle body you already own.
Right now I'm trying to piece together elements to go Gen IV drive by wire on a Gen III engine using mostly parts I have lying about from other swaps. I have a few options, but I don't have enough of anything to make a complete setup without buying something. I'm fine with that, I just need to be smart as I only wish to buy things once.
Yeah, the motor, ECM and TB were altogether from the TBSS. The only part I didn't have was the pedal. The previous owner was going to convert to carb so he didn't have it.
Having to buy a new pedal is not so bad, the old one is already sold and shipped, the replacement was picked up and I should have it tomorrow.
Throwing in more confusion, I'm using a E40 PCM out of a 2006 GTO which is a Gen IV and has no external TCM, and it has a SSR tune and I am using a trailblazer pedal and have fully functional cruise control. This is on a 2006 GTO LS2 & T56 combo in my 1966 GTO.
My harness was built by Speartech.
My harness was built by Speartech.
Found that I have the TBSS tune on my ECM. I have a spare e67 from an '06 Malibu. Does anyone know if I should be able to do a "write entire" over this with an '06 CTS-V tune?