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Old 12-19-2016 | 11:21 AM
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I couldn't think of any other reason to go with a subaru! Thats a shame... I'd go with the alum ford engine hands down over the subaru junk.
Old 12-19-2016 | 11:44 AM
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GM offers the LTG engine and there is also a transverse transaxle to go with it. But now we are talking about complete re-engineering and a lot more money.

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Old 12-19-2016 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
I couldn't think of any other reason to go with a subaru! Thats a shame... I'd go with the alum ford engine hands down over the subaru junk.
I wonder what the major differences are between the WRX engine and STI engine. They claim you cannot use an STI engine.
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Not much difference mechanically, lots of differences with electronics. Most 2.5L Subaru are the same shortblock with minor differences, STI has: higher flowing heads with smaller chambers, slightly bigger turbo from the factory, variable valve timing which can be deleted to run the better heads, some report STI come with forged rods. To run an STI engine would require different electronics and an experienced tuner.

Forged pistons and STI rods are proven a solid 400whp (awd configuration) recipe. Forged pistons with Manley tuff rods can hold stupid power. Closed deck with forged rods/pistons are on the road pushing 600+ out of these 2.5L 4 bangers. Mine put down 420/380 with turbo, injectors, meth kit, FMIC, and basic bolt ons.

The WRX transmission was beefed up in late 2003, pretty much the same 5 speed since then. STI trans is completely different, no limits found yet (200+ mph TX Mile Subaru built by AWDTuning in Flower Mound).
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Originally Posted by imma_stocker
Not much difference mechanically, lots of differences with electronics. Most 2.5L Subaru are the same shortblock with minor differences, STI has: higher flowing heads with smaller chambers, slightly bigger turbo from the factory, variable valve timing which can be deleted to run the better heads, some report STI come with forged rods. To run an STI engine would require different electronics and an experienced tuner.

Forged pistons and STI rods are proven a solid 400whp (awd configuration) recipe. Forged pistons with Manley tuff rods can hold stupid power. Closed deck with forged rods/pistons are on the road pushing 600+ out of these 2.5L 4 bangers. Mine put down 420/380 with turbo, injectors, meth kit, FMIC, and basic bolt ons.

The WRX transmission was beefed up in late 2003, pretty much the same 5 speed since then. STI trans is completely different, no limits found yet (200+ mph TX Mile Subaru built by AWDTuning in Flower Mound).
I had a 2009 WRX and I beat the ever living crap out of it and never had an engine or trans issue. I had launch control and flat foot shifting enabled and it took all of it for years. The glass moniker must have come from the early years. Even at 3,400lbs it wasn't terribly slow for a basically stock car, ran 12.4 with a Cobb reflash and downpipe. At 1800lbs it would be a ton of fun, bottom 10 second car with the same bolton power.
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06-07 is the latest that can be used with the 818C. I'll definitely be going 03+
Wiring/ECU isn't much of an issue. Megasquirt will run it just fine.
This is probably 2 years out still. I guess it depends on how things go around here.
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I've always had a soft spot for the Mistubishi Starion/Chrysler Conquest. good looking, small, super light and balanced. Fair amount of engine bay room for activities as well. I had one for a little bit I was going to LS swap until family stuff happened and priorities took over :/

I'm with you on this one. I've always liked them too.
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I'd like to hear and see more about this 2100# corvette with 18x12's on all 4 corners!! Yikes! That's light with a ton of rubber!
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I'd like to hear and see more about this 2100# corvette with 18x12's on all 4 corners!! Yikes! That's light with a ton of rubber!
Hopefully I can get it done in the next 2 months. There is still a LOT of fabrication being done.

There are some pretty major surprises with this Corvette. It'll be drawing a LOT of attention online when its done lol.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
Hopefully I can get it done in the next 2 months. There is still a LOT of fabrication being done.

There are some pretty major surprises with this Corvette. It'll be drawing a LOT of attention online when its done lol.
What platform are you starting with? I'm guessing it's a C2 or 3? I would love to build a widebody C3 with dry- sump high revving LS power, sequential trans, ZR-1 carbon brakes etc etc. Something styled like Foose or the Ring Bros would build.
Care to share any teaser info, pics?
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
06-07 is the latest that can be used with the 818C. I'll definitely be going 03+
Wiring/ECU isn't much of an issue. Megasquirt will run it just fine.
This is probably 2 years out still. I guess it depends on how things go around here.
Not entirely true, the 818C is setup to use a 2nd gen single donor car. If you forgo that and use 2nd gen WRX chassis components and a 3rd gen WRX or STI engine it works fine.
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Originally Posted by North*power
What platform are you starting with? I'm guessing it's a C2 or 3? I would love to build a widebody C3 with dry- sump high revving LS power, sequential trans, ZR-1 carbon brakes etc etc. Something styled like Foose or the Ring Bros would build.
Care to share any teaser info, pics?
C4. It was technically free.
No teaser shots yet. It'll be driving in a month or so, maybe I'll snap a few then.
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One thing to bear in mind, the various Squirt ECU won't run DBW. Wish they did, I'd have one of their ECU on my RSTi if they did....
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Originally Posted by BLKMGK
One thing to bear in mind, the various Squirt ECU won't run DBW. Wish they did, I'd have one of their ECU on my RSTi if they did....
A $100 throttle body is keeping you from going standalone? Convert it to cable, throttle response is better that way anyway.
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https://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/5920594847.html

https://youngstown.craigslist.org/cto/5908448198.html

https://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/5894187892.html

https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/5907169155.html

https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/5927677541.html

https://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/5911149543.html

https://mansfield.craigslist.org/cto/5904943715.html

My vote is whatever is cheap! The RX7 is a great rig to start with.

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S2000. Rigid as hell from factory, built up construction and often clean the course on touge and autocross.
You'll get 50:50 and under 2400lbs if you take top motors and crap out with an alu block LS swap.
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If I ever build an 818 I am boosting the 3.0 h6 I have in my outback or a jdm version with an sti transaxle. Any links to the 818 where they kept the awd? There are plenty of sti transaxles and h6 uses.
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Originally Posted by S2KIWI
S2000. Rigid as hell from factory, built up construction and often clean the course on touge and autocross. You'll get 50:50 and under 2400lbs if you take top motors and crap out with an alu block LS swap.

I was going to build one of these as well- seemed like a turbo kit was a better option after I did a lot of research.

Guys a stripped c5 will own most any of these cars u are talking about. 50/50 and a suspension drivetrain and tires to hold it
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Personally I would find a non-running '99-02 Z28 w/a T56. They have a great track record and used parts are everywhere here. Stuff 315s on all four corners let it eat.
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Early on you said light, cheap, rwd and something different. You could always go with a brick. Lots of brake/suspension stuff available - lots of examples that stop/turn as well as they go. Inexpensive. On serious diet 2500-2600 within reach. Mine w/1/8th tank of fuel and trunk empty weighs 2980 with p/s and a/c.



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