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Old Nov 4, 2017 | 02:04 PM
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My question..

Would the engine wiring harness from an 2007+ LQ4 with an E38 PCM (reflashed) easily connect on a completely stock LS1/T56 out of an fbody or would my time be better spent searching for a junked LS2 equipped car?

I've tried searching, hence why I'm posting on LS1 Tech after so long.

I have a company who is going to be modifying (combining) my wiring harnesses from my shell (subaru) and on the other end, they told me they need the E38/40/67 PCM and the wiring harness that comes with it. They suggested just snagging one from an LS2 GTO and calling it a day.

In the places i'm looking (junk yards), it's not common to come across a TBSS, Corvette, GTO..but coming across 2007+ Trucks is a dime a dozen.

*I will be using a drive-by-wire throttle body and a T56 out of an f-body as well.

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There is no easy way to use a gen 4 harness and ECM with a gen 3 engine.

Why not get a gen 3 harness?
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Originally Posted by KSKENE
Howdy,

My question..

Would the engine wiring harness from an 2007+ LQ4 with an E38 PCM (reflashed) easily connect on a completely stock LS1/T56 out of an fbody or would my time be better spent searching for a junked LS2 equipped car?

I've tried searching, hence why I'm posting on LS1 Tech after so long.

I have a company who is going to be modifying (combining) my wiring harnesses from my shell (subaru) and on the other end, they told me they need the E38/40/67 PCM and the wiring harness that comes with it. They suggested just snagging one from an LS2 GTO and calling it a day.

In the places i'm looking (junk yards), it's not common to come across a TBSS, Corvette, GTO..but coming across 2007+ Trucks is a dime a dozen.

*I will be using a drive-by-wire throttle body and a T56 out of an f-body as well.
Try contacting PSIconversion and see if they can make a harness to get everything you’ll be using hooked up
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Old Nov 4, 2017 | 06:48 PM
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FYI, LQ4's were only made thru 06, the exception being for Hummer H2's thru 07. Nothing after 07. LQ4's are Gen III.
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I would also get a Gen3 harness if you're using an LS1. That said, is it actually an LS1? Because you say youre using a DBW and T56 from an f body, but they weren't DBW until 2010 and those aren't LS1s.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
There is no easy way to use a gen 4 harness and ECM with a gen 3 engine.

Why not get a gen 3 harness?
Thanks for the reply. Probably a better idea overall. I'm starting to learn that even though most of the motors are the same, the wiring harnesses are the big differences


Originally Posted by lowchevytrucks8503
Try contacting PSIconversion and see if they can make a harness to get everything you’ll be using hooked up
Thats an option and i'm sure they could if I go that route. Though the initial goal is to use a junkyard harness off the donor motor and convert it one of the standalone kits. Basically I just want to run a digital gauge cluster through an OBD2 port and call it a day. Though any advice on that is appreciated!


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FYI, LQ4's were only made thru 06, the exception being for Hummer H2's thru 07. Nothing after 07. LQ4's are Gen III.
Damn, ok. I don't take pride in my ignorance

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I would also get a Gen3 harness if you're using an LS1. That said, is it actually an LS1? Because you say youre using a DBW and T56 from an f body, but they weren't DBW until 2010 and those aren't LS1s.
Ok so gen iii harness is the way to go? I'm still pretty crossed on the DBW set up. I don't really have a preference right now. I'd like to use an LS1 to save a little weight, but i'm not against finding some rear-end smashed silverado and taking the lq4 and harness out of that.

Like I said to JoeNova, i'm just learning how different the harnesses are for such similar engines. If I found an LS1 that looked good and still wanted DBW(which i probably won't do), I had imagined I could just use a (DBW) Vortec harness on the LS1.

It's fun learning all these differences.
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The main differences between gen 3 and gen 4 is the tooth count on the crank wheel. 24x for gen 3, 58x for Gen 4.

The PCMs are not interchangeable between them, and therefore neither are the harnesses. You CAN run a gen 4 engine on a gen 3 harness using a conversion box from Lingenfelter, but not the other way around.

An LS1 is a gen 3. Get a Gen3 harness/PCM.
The E38/40/67 PCMs are Gen 4.
LQ4s are all gen 3, from 99-early 07.
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Old Nov 6, 2017 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
The main differences between gen 3 and gen 4 is the tooth count on the crank wheel. 24x for gen 3, 58x for Gen 4.

The PCMs are not interchangeable between them, and therefore neither are the harnesses. You CAN run a gen 4 engine on a gen 3 harness using a conversion box from Lingenfelter, but not the other way around.

An LS1 is a gen 3. Get a Gen3 harness/PCM.
The E38/40/67 PCMs are Gen 4.
LQ4s are all gen 3, from 99-early 07.
Ok perfect. Thank you. So, to make life easier, I should just find a complete LQ4 that is 01' or newer that comes with a wiring harness and PCM.
or an LS1 with it's wiring harness and PCM

Slap a standalone wiring kit on either of them as well as a t56 and I should be good to go (obviously oversimplified).

Whether it's DBW or DBC, i'm gonna run it and call it a long day.

Sound plan?
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You can use an LQ4 harness on an LS1, and an LS1 harness on an LQ4. They're both Gen 3. Most everything changes within its own gen.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
You can use an LQ4 harness on an LS1, and an LS1 harness on an LQ4. They're both Gen 3. Most everything changes within its own gen.
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Some of the lengths might be different as the LQ4 is a truck engine, and routing is different on trucks than cars, but should not be a big deal. Wires can be cut or extended.
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