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I am building a GTO and the engine is a 421 with about 600 hp. It came with a 4 speed Muncie, but it will not handle the horsepower. What manual transmission do you recommend? What will I need to mount it to the engine.
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How is the car being used?
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Originally Posted by jwags01
I am building a GTO and the engine is a 421 with about 600 hp. It came with a 4 speed Muncie, but it will not handle the horsepower. What manual transmission do you recommend? What will I need to mount it to the engine.
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First, thanks for the response. Car is being used for some street driving, show car, but I want to be able to take to track. I have seen the T56 as option. Will it bolt to the bellhousing used for the 4 speed muncie? Any other recommendations?
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Do you have highway rpm limitations/desires? Define "track" - autocross, road racing, 1/4 mile? You're gonna have a ton of torque -- so 6 gears aren't strictly necessary and the T56/6060 series is a big/heavy tranny with lots of parasitic loss (rotating weight). There are 5 speed options out there too -- might be a better "fit" -- unless of course you want 1300 rpm on the highway at 70 mph.
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If I bring to track, would only do 1/4 mile. A 5 speed sounds good to me!
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Originally Posted by jwags01
I am building a GTO and the engine is a 421 with about 600 hp.

Ok, so are we talking about a "421" cubic inch LS based engine...or, an original Pontiac 421...???
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Original Pontiac 421 - sorry, I know this is an LS forum.
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Ok, I see. I think McLeod makes a "direct fit" 5-speed for old muscle cars that I think requires no cutting for install, and I think it will bolt up to your bellhousing...


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DOnt see them talked about much on here,,, but,,
Reman Jerico, they come up on the Oval track for sale pages.. and at Oval/dirt track swap meets, the big teams run them for a season and trade them in each winter.. There are 2/3/4/5 speed variants.. Not "cheap" but very rebuildable and they handle some serious power.
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Sounds like you're going about it the right way -- I'd pony up for a TKO600 with the gear ratios you want and add the "shifts like it should" option that many perform with this. Much smaller/lighter/more efficient than the 6 speed and should hold up to your demands. Pretty sure I've seen a bell for this application - BB Poncho to TKO.

Jericho, Nash and Richmond options - but they're gonna be noisy.

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Use smaller mufflers,, then the tranny noise won't matter.. LOL
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As stated, go with the TKO with the .82 OD. I think it is considered the close ratio version. There is another option with the .64 OD, but it is a huge drop between 4th and 5th and unless you have EFI, your car will not like the .64 OD.



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