Fuel Systems....whats proven and what didn't work
#1
Fuel Systems....whats proven and what didn't work
I am about to purchase a tank and pump and wanted to know, what out there actually has worked as advertised, and what have people had issues with.
I was looking a Tanks Inc setup with either a 255, or a Aeromotive 340 pump. Has anyone used either of these with issues, cons or pros?
I know I would need a regulator and reuturn with the 340 pump. But I have heard of hiccups with the 340 pump. The 255 I would be close to the max of it with the build on the motor. So thats why I was on the fence. Any advice on what people have used, with success would be greatly appreciated
I was looking a Tanks Inc setup with either a 255, or a Aeromotive 340 pump. Has anyone used either of these with issues, cons or pros?
I know I would need a regulator and reuturn with the 340 pump. But I have heard of hiccups with the 340 pump. The 255 I would be close to the max of it with the build on the motor. So thats why I was on the fence. Any advice on what people have used, with success would be greatly appreciated
#5
If youre worried about it get an aeromotive reg. theyre only like 100 bucks.
#7
I've heard of issues with Tanks inc. I believe it was stalling hesitation when below half a tank.
The factory 4th gen LS bucket has worked for me for 6 seasons (10,000 miles). I've run it down to 1/8" with no issues. The 4th gen bucket is tall and difficult/impossible to put in some tanks. You could cut a hole in your trunk OR shorten the pump/bucket. With the 4th gen bucket, you don't need a regulator...has one built in. I used the vetteworks mount.
The 5th gen Camaro bucket is another option, it is much shorter and there are builds and ways to make it work in many tanks. One member here (ryeguy2006a) has this bucket/pump modified in a 1st gen Camaro. Read up on this, I don't think you need a regulator but you need to mod the electronics (real easy).
The factory 4th gen LS bucket has worked for me for 6 seasons (10,000 miles). I've run it down to 1/8" with no issues. The 4th gen bucket is tall and difficult/impossible to put in some tanks. You could cut a hole in your trunk OR shorten the pump/bucket. With the 4th gen bucket, you don't need a regulator...has one built in. I used the vetteworks mount.
The 5th gen Camaro bucket is another option, it is much shorter and there are builds and ways to make it work in many tanks. One member here (ryeguy2006a) has this bucket/pump modified in a 1st gen Camaro. Read up on this, I don't think you need a regulator but you need to mod the electronics (real easy).
Last edited by reedld; 08-30-2018 at 08:38 PM.
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#9
One and done. You can get the fuel module across the counter at most any parts store....Yeah, it's more, but I have never had any of the issues I see people having with the tanks inc. stuff....
T,
#10
I ordered a Ricks tank with the ZL1 pump. After calling them and discussing the details, it just made sense, internally regulated (no return line or external regulator) so price wise it was on par with buying a lesser tank and stick style fuel pump.
I was told I wouldn't need the vaporworx system unless I went to a LSA blower.
I was told I wouldn't need the vaporworx system unless I went to a LSA blower.
#11
good choice. the corvette FPR killed my Aeromotive 340, and the under-half-full issues were unacceptable, so I modified my OEM tank for the 5th gen pump. I would (and will) opt for the Rick's tank if I had known about it when I did mine.
Vaporworx also sells the necessary 4th gen regulator and adapter; that may have been what kwhizz was referring to.
Vaporworx also sells the necessary 4th gen regulator and adapter; that may have been what kwhizz was referring to.
#12
good choice. the corvette FPR killed my Aeromotive 340, and the under-half-full issues were unacceptable, so I modified my OEM tank for the 5th gen pump. I would (and will) opt for the Rick's tank if I had known about it when I did mine.
Vaporworx also sells the necessary 4th gen regulator and adapter; that may have been what kwhizz was referring to.
Vaporworx also sells the necessary 4th gen regulator and adapter; that may have been what kwhizz was referring to.
BTW its usually the OEM fuel system (including wiring) that kills high volume pumps. (i.e. inlet/return line too small)
Last edited by Fuhnortoner; 08-31-2018 at 01:59 PM.
#13
I called Aeromotive specifically and asked them about running the corvette fuel pressure regulator with the 340 pump, and they said they do not recommend it. The regulator would actually choke the pump and cause pre-mature failure of the pump they said.
#14
I ordered a Ricks tank with the ZL1 pump. After calling them and discussing the details, it just made sense, internally regulated (no return line or external regulator) so price wise it was on par with buying a lesser tank and stick style fuel pump.
I was told I wouldn't need the vaporworx system unless I went to a LSA blower.
I was told I wouldn't need the vaporworx system unless I went to a LSA blower.
You made the right choice.
good choice. the corvette FPR killed my Aeromotive 340, and the under-half-full issues were unacceptable, so I modified my OEM tank for the 5th gen pump. I would (and will) opt for the Rick's tank if I had known about it when I did mine.
Vaporworx also sells the necessary 4th gen regulator and adapter; that may have been what kwhizz was referring to.
Vaporworx also sells the necessary 4th gen regulator and adapter; that may have been what kwhizz was referring to.
T.
#16
Do some searching bro, most likely youre gonna need sequential dual pumps.
#17
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#18
The choice between an internally regulated setup (changing the regulator) and a pulse width modulation controller (electronic pressure regulator) is typically not due to running a boosted engine but instead trying to reduce the average power going to the pump. We've had many customers change to PWM after running the changed regulator.
There are a plethora of advantages that PWM offers, but let's look at the primary factor. Reliability.
In order to feed modern high-horsepower engines a pump(s) large enough to meet the fuel demand plus some safety factor must be used. Using the ZL1 pump as an example, it is 650hp supercharged capable. However, to run it at 60psi mechanically regulated will require 16A to drive. At idle and cruise most all of that is put right back into the fuel load as heat. At lower fuel levels combined with traffic, reflected heat from the road, etc. it won't take long to excessively heat the fuel load if the pump is run at full speed. It's now become a reliability issue.
The fuel is the life blood of the pump. It provides cooling and lubrication to the pump. As the fuel gets hotter, its lubricating properties diminish, creating more heat. To keep the pump reliable the average power to it needs to be reduced. That's where PWM comes into play.
A pretty good rule of thumb with fuel modules is that the reduction in power during idle and cruise/60psi constant using PWM vs. a return regulator is 50%. If manifold referenced is used it's 2/3.
Another analogy is if the engine makes 650hp, why have a throttle on the engine?
There are a plethora of advantages that PWM offers, but let's look at the primary factor. Reliability.
In order to feed modern high-horsepower engines a pump(s) large enough to meet the fuel demand plus some safety factor must be used. Using the ZL1 pump as an example, it is 650hp supercharged capable. However, to run it at 60psi mechanically regulated will require 16A to drive. At idle and cruise most all of that is put right back into the fuel load as heat. At lower fuel levels combined with traffic, reflected heat from the road, etc. it won't take long to excessively heat the fuel load if the pump is run at full speed. It's now become a reliability issue.
The fuel is the life blood of the pump. It provides cooling and lubrication to the pump. As the fuel gets hotter, its lubricating properties diminish, creating more heat. To keep the pump reliable the average power to it needs to be reduced. That's where PWM comes into play.
A pretty good rule of thumb with fuel modules is that the reduction in power during idle and cruise/60psi constant using PWM vs. a return regulator is 50%. If manifold referenced is used it's 2/3.
Another analogy is if the engine makes 650hp, why have a throttle on the engine?
#19
It was probably your "under half full" condition that killed your 340, not the reg. This happens because the 98-02 plastic tanks have no baffles. (neither does your OEM 71 Nova tank :-))
#20