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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 01:32 PM
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I had a 30 amp fuse melt down issue with my duel relayed Winstar fans in my 68 Chevelle. The car (non AC) seems to cool pretty well on its own while driving but I guess at some point both fans must have come on and caused a massive surge on the system. Everything is new in the cooling system Superior Dual pass radiator, 165 thermostat with front and rear head steam vents.
Anyway I've been reading a bit here on the forum about PWM for both the fans and fuel pumps so this is a good time for me to look further into these units and see what I can come up with and get some recommendations from you guys.

Two questions : Which brands to look at ? and Are the same units for fans & fuel pumps ? 07 tbss ls2 4l70 trans.

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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tmcmillan5
I had a 30 amp fuse melt down issue with my duel relayed Winstar fans in my 68 Chevelle. The car (non AC) seems to cool pretty well on its own while driving but I guess at some point both fans must have come on and caused a massive surge on the system. Everything is new in the cooling system Superior Dual pass radiator, 165 thermostat with front and rear head steam vents.
Anyway I've been reading a bit here on the forum about PWM for both the fans and fuel pumps so this is a good time for me to look further into these units and see what I can come up with and get some recommendations from you guys.

Two questions : Which brands to look at ? and Are the same units for fans & fuel pumps ? 07 tbss ls2 4l70 trans.

Thanks, Tony
For the fans, look up Delta Current Controls (Brian Baskin)aka DCC. He has PWM fan controls that wire up VERY simply and are very tough.
For the fuel pump look up Vaporworx. They have very good fuel system controls. He (Carl Casanova) also has a fan PWM controller ( co-designed by Brian Baskin) sold thru Northern Radiator. Both are excellent units.
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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 03:46 PM
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DCC and Vaporworx here, Carl's customer service is fantastic, always willing to help if you have any questions/issues.
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I have Vaporworx for my fuel pump and it is a very nice setup. I've also heard that Carl may have something in the works for controlling fans.
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Old Sep 15, 2021 | 09:30 AM
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I've been using the DCC unit to control my Lincoln MKVIII electric fan in my Fox Body Mustang since about 2008. It's been flawless! This fan and controller are going to be installed in my Fox coupe project that you can see in my signature.
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Originally Posted by ryeguy2006a
I have Vaporworx for my fuel pump and it is a very nice setup. I've also heard that Carl may have something in the works for controlling fans.
It IS out and being distributed by Northern Radiator. I know Speedway motors sells it. It is a bit more compact than the DCC unit with a couple operational and installation differences. I was looking at it but I think I will go the DCC FK45 route.
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I've been using the DCC unit to control my Lincoln MKVIII electric fan in my Fox Body Mustang since about 2008. It's been flawless! This fan and controller are going to be installed in my Fox coupe project that you can see in my signature.
Did you go with the FK45 or FK75? I'm on the fence between those. I know the Mk 8 fan is a real amp-sponge, and if you have the FK45, that is what I will go with too.
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Did you go with the FK45 or FK75? I'm on the fence between those. I know the Mk 8 fan is a real amp-sponge, and if you have the FK45, that is what I will go with too.
Yes I'd like to here myself. I don't think I a have a heavy demand on my cooling system so my plan is to just use the larger fan in the Windstar unit.
As for the Vaporworx fuel pump PWM at 429 plus tax & shipping they like it a lot more than I do.

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Good PWM isn't cheap, because of all the development that goes into it. If the fan unit you have has 2 fans, use them both. Otherwise the one fan will suck air across the back of the radiator from the other fan hole instead of thru the radiator. Your cooling and fuel systems are not places to cut corners.
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I assume you were running a 30 amp fuse for each fan??
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I assume you were running a 30 amp fuse for each fan??
No I had just looped the two relays together with a single 30 amp fuse on 10 ga stranded wire. Should they have been on 30 amp dedicated circuits ?
How about dual headlights I have them set up the same way ?
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Good PWM isn't cheap, because of all the development that goes into it. If the fan unit you have has 2 fans, use them both. Otherwise the one fan will suck air across the back of the radiator from the other fan hole instead of thru the radiator. Your cooling and fuel systems are not places to cut corners.
Ok thanks , good to know. I think the FK 45 & FK 75 will run both fans, correct ?
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
Did you go with the FK45 or FK75? I'm on the fence between those. I know the Mk 8 fan is a real amp-sponge, and if you have the FK45, that is what I will go with too.

It's been so long ago that I'm not sure, but I think that it was the FK45. I just went out and looked at the DCC unit and there is a sticker on it but it's completely faded out. I'm 99% sure that I have the 45.

It's been great all of these years and I highly recommend DCC. I'll buy another one for my next project!
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Originally Posted by tmcmillan5
Ok thanks , good to know. I think the FK 45 & FK 75 will run both fans, correct ?
I think the FK45 will work for you. It can do 45 continuous amps, and I'm pretty sure your fans don't draw that much, even on start-up.
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Originally Posted by dannyual777
It's been so long ago that I'm not sure, but I think that it was the FK45. I just went out and looked at the DCC unit and there is a sticker on it but it's completely faded out. I'm 99% sure that I have the 45.

It's been great all of these years and I highly recommend DCC. I'll buy another one for my next project!
OK thanks man! I will be powering stock GM truck fans on my 04 Tahoe. Electric fans for GM trucks came out in 05, and they drop right into my 04. I just wanted a way to power them without the huge starting load they put out. Brian Baskin said the FK45 will handle it without a sweat.

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Originally Posted by tmcmillan5
No I had just looped the two relays together with a single 30 amp fuse on 10 ga stranded wire. Should they have been on 30 amp dedicated circuits ?
I have the same Windstar fan setup in the LS powered 72 A-body wagon in my avatar.

I run this dual relay setup in mine...


These are 70 amp relays...I'd have to look, but I think I run 30 amp fuses for each fan...never had a problem running both or just one. (I trigger mine with the factory ECM)

I know this is probably a mute point if your going PWM.



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Not all fuses are created equally. A 30a ATM fuse is going to blow a lot sooner than a 30a Maxi fuse for example. The fuse can take a certain number of short duration high current events and eventually will fail; that behavior will be different depending on the fuse design. The rated ampacity of a fuse only tells you where it will blow given enough time - the time-based performance of a fuse will vary by manufacture, form factor and design objectives, but generally speaking larger package fuses like maxis will sustain longer durations of high currents than smaller ones like ATMs or ATCs.

Fans have high inrush currents which is why a lot of OEs used fusible links instead of fuses. With PWM control it's a lot easier to limit current draws but there are still inrush currents to deal with at startup.

What kind of fuse are you using now?
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I'm using ATMs now and I think the DCC PWM is calling for a 14 ga fusible link.
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Originally Posted by tmcmillan5
I'm using ATMs now and I think the DCC PWM is calling for a 14 ga fusible link.
The DCC kit includes the fusible link, along with all other required wiring.
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I have one of DCC's earliest units in the Volvo - circa 2002 or 3. And I recently bought an FK45 to run the single 12" fan in the Corolla. Both have worked flawlessly.
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